Monkey Tennis Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Yflab said: Gordon is a moron. Not that Puff, I said dismayed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Billy Jean King said: 1 hour ago, gav-ffc said: ScotRail bodying a weirdo for taking pics of ransoms on public transport. Yet the p***k that did the exact same to Scotland fans travelling to the Israel game was advised to "phone the BTP" by Scotrail twitter. I think the underlying message to both was the same "it's not our job (or within our remit) to enforce the law, f**k off and stop bothering us" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 BBC News - Covid: Bring back rules amid rising cases, urge NHS chiefshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58976577Main BBC headline. Clamour for "Plan B" well under way. I would think having scrapped SD and masking it will be nigh on impossible to get compliance if / when reimposed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) Noted truth teller Kwasi Kwarteng has said that he rules out the possibility of another lockdown in England, so I wouldn't be surprised if England is back under lockdown by the end of today. Edited October 20, 2021 by Sherrif John Bunnell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 If the press joins Are Wonderful NHS in clamouring for restrictions, Johnson will fold in approx 5 days after several days of repeated denials. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Michael W Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Meanwhile... - https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/covid-school-absences-london-uk-b961281.html 209k children out of school last week for coronavirus reasons in England. Just over half of those (111k) had the virus. There's an answer here somewhere, lads, as to how we can get these case numbers down. I don't think it's vaccine passports or masks in shops. Or even social distancing, which means restrictions in hospitality settings (which has far wider consequences). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 29 minutes ago, Michael W said: Meanwhile... - https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/covid-school-absences-london-uk-b961281.html 209k children out of school last week for coronavirus reasons in England. Just over half of those (111k) had the virus. There's an answer here somewhere, lads, as to how we can get these case numbers down. I don't think it's vaccine passports or masks in shops. Or even social distancing, which means restrictions in hospitality settings (which has far wider consequences). Has it got something to do with nailbars? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Meanwhile... - https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/covid-school-absences-london-uk-b961281.html 209k children out of school last week for coronavirus reasons in England. Just over half of those (111k) had the virus. There's an answer here somewhere, lads, as to how we can get these case numbers down. I don't think it's vaccine passports or masks in shops. Or even social distancing, which means restrictions in hospitality settings (which has far wider consequences). Is it stop testing people who arent unwell? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdul_Latif Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Pretty sure all the current fear peddling is the justification for bringing in vaccine passports in England. In the same way SG said it’s vaccine passports or nightclubs have to stay shut, WM will go with it’s vaccine passports or possible lockdown. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 The NHS Confederation have said that "we should try to achieve the kind of national mobilisation that we achieved in the first and second waves, where the public went out of their way to support and help the health service.". The number of patients in hospital now is 7.7k. At the peak of the first wave APril 6th there were 17.7k patients in hospital. At the peak of the second wave, January 18th, there were 39.2k patients in hopsital. The seven day average of deaths now is 124. At the peak of the first wave, April 10th, the seven day average of deaths was 942. At the peak of the second wave, January 20th, the seven day average of deaths was 1248. It's a completely different scenario - it's awful for the people who are ill and their families and it's very difficult for the people looking after them but it's a fundamentally different situation. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Abdul_Latif said: Pretty sure all the current fear peddling is the justification for bringing in vaccine passports in England. In the same way SG said it’s vaccine passports or nightclubs have to stay shut, WM will go with it’s vaccine passports or possible lockdown. Yeah, this. Cannot see a situation where the UK Gov re-introduces and measures which cost the treasury money. Lockdowns/furlough, social distancing/business support grants are therefore out. We are, afterall, in a similar position to July 19th, but with looser isolation rules limiting disruption for close contacts. Masks and vax passports are more than likely where they will go, if anything. The obvious (but unpopular) solution to immediately lower case numbers is to close schools for a period. Half-term, however, is next week so that will happen anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Michael W said: Meanwhile... - https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/covid-school-absences-london-uk-b961281.html 209k children out of school last week for coronavirus reasons in England. Just over half of those (111k) had the virus. There's an answer here somewhere, lads, as to how we can get these case numbers down. I don't think it's vaccine passports or masks in shops. Or even social distancing, which means restrictions in hospitality settings (which has far wider consequences). why the f**k should we shut schools? if that is what your suggesting? hardly any kids get seriously ill from covid, let them get it, not even the full time mummy brigade want blanket closures cause their wee precious has got the snifflys 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, effeffsee_the2nd said: why the f**k should we shut schools? if that is what your suggesting? hardly any kids get seriously ill from covid, let them get it, not even the full time mummy brigade want blanket closures cause their wee precious has got the snifflys Kids getting covid clearly isn't a problem. No-one surely believes it is? But if "case numbers" is the headline figure being used to put pressure on the government to re-introduce restrictions, and over 40% of cases currently are in school children, then schools are where the restrictions need to be to have any meaningful impact on "case numbers" That the full time mummy brigade would prefer pubs and football grounds to be closed so that they can still get peace whilst their offspring go to school is irrelevant. If they screech for restrictions to "get cases down", then they can deal with the consequences of those restrictions being imposed in the most impactful way to achieve this. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 The NHS Confederation have said that "we should try to achieve the kind of national mobilisation that we achieved in the first and second waves, where the public went out of their way to support and help the health service.". The number of patients in hospital now is 7.7k. At the peak of the first wave APril 6th there were 17.7k patients in hospital. At the peak of the second wave, January 18th, there were 39.2k patients in hopsital. The seven day average of deaths now is 124. At the peak of the first wave, April 10th, the seven day average of deaths was 942. At the peak of the second wave, January 20th, the seven day average of deaths was 1248. It's a completely different scenario - it's awful for the people who are ill and their families and it's very difficult for the people looking after them but it's a fundamentally different situation.I think the issue now is that the NHS are seeing way higher admissions for other non Covid reasons due to these people becoming acute as they have not been able to get treatment due to the previous pressures. Covid admissions are not the problem any more, it's all the other conditions that have become serious enough to need hospital admission due to them being pushed down the previous pecking order. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 The NHS Confederation have said that "we should try to achieve the kind of national mobilisation that we achieved in the first and second waves, where the public went out of their way to support and help the health service.". The number of patients in hospital now is 7.7k. At the peak of the first wave APril 6th there were 17.7k patients in hospital. At the peak of the second wave, January 18th, there were 39.2k patients in hopsital. The seven day average of deaths now is 124. At the peak of the first wave, April 10th, the seven day average of deaths was 942. At the peak of the second wave, January 20th, the seven day average of deaths was 1248. It's a completely different scenario - it's awful for the people who are ill and their families and it's very difficult for the people looking after them but it's a fundamentally different situation.This narrative really pisses me off. The NHS is there to protect the public - not the other way about. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdul_Latif Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ron Aldo said: 44 minutes ago, ICTChris said: The NHS Confederation have said that "we should try to achieve the kind of national mobilisation that we achieved in the first and second waves, where the public went out of their way to support and help the health service.". The number of patients in hospital now is 7.7k. At the peak of the first wave APril 6th there were 17.7k patients in hospital. At the peak of the second wave, January 18th, there were 39.2k patients in hopsital. The seven day average of deaths now is 124. At the peak of the first wave, April 10th, the seven day average of deaths was 942. At the peak of the second wave, January 20th, the seven day average of deaths was 1248. It's a completely different scenario - it's awful for the people who are ill and their families and it's very difficult for the people looking after them but it's a fundamentally different situation. This narrative really pisses me off. The NHS is there to protect the public - not the other way about. Absolutely spot on. This is the governments problem to fix, not mine or yours. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Abdul_Latif said: Absolutely spot on. This is the governments problem to fix, not mine or yours. It's a valid point but won't do you any good when you fall ill and cannot get treatment 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdul_Latif Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, hk blues said: It's a valid point but won't do you any good when you fall ill and cannot get treatment As much as that is true, when I am considered a statistic, it will still be government failings that caused the situation, not the public themselves. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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