Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[s_dog]

1 hour ago, Elixir said:

It's really not been difficult from the outset to derive from 'the data' that those aged under 30 have never been at any actual risk from Covid. Indeed, no more so than any other respiratory infection. Even the fatties and those who survive on Greggs every day might feel a bit shite for longer, but they certainly don't burden the health system.

Even though they're the least likely to become seriously ill or die, in the past week alone there's been 150 people under the age of 30 admitted to hospital. Far less than those aged over-70 but they're still taking up beds and staff time and contributing to the hospitals being incredibly stretched. 

[welshbairn]

6 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

As predicted, Deepti is on Twitter saying the ONS study is wrong because it doesn't include mood swings in teenagers and brain fog as symptoms. Also, the ONS study includes people who had Covid but were not symptomatic. Jeez...

 

Tricky doing blind testing on teenage moodiness..

[Todd_is_God]

7 minutes ago, s_dog said:

Even though they're the least likely to become seriously ill or die, in the past week alone there's been 150 people under the age of 30 admitted to hospital. Far less than those aged over-70 but they're still taking up beds and staff time and contributing to the hospitals being incredibly stretched. 

Have they been admitted to hospital requiring treatment for Covid, have they been admitted to hospital for treatment for something else but tested positive, have they tested positive after already being in hospital (i.e. caught it there) and are now requiring treatment, or have they caught it whilst already in hospital but require no treatment?

I imagine that number will be spread amongst all 4 categories. I still find it absolutely staggering that, not only do we not appear to know, but that no-one seems to have thought to ask.

Edited September 17, 2021 by Todd_is_God

[Salt n Vinegar]

3 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Have they been admitted to hospital requiring treatment for Covid, have they been admitted to hospital for treatment for something else but tested positive, have they tested positive after already being in hospital (i.e. caught it there) and are now requiring treatment, or have they caught it whilst already in hospital but require no treatment?

I imagine that number will be spread amongst all 4 categories. I still find it absolutely staggering that we don't appear to know.

The answer is probably known, but not by you or me! 

[vikingTON]

Never thought the thread would be reduced to faux concern about bed-blocking 25 year olds crushing our public health system, but here we are. 

[superbigal]

Below is a terrific endorsement of the Vaccine. 

Of the deniers who just point out 67% of over 50s who died were double jagged. 

OVER 98% of all people over 50 have had at least 1 Jag

So a huge 25% of deaths were from less than 2% of this non jagged over 50 population.

 

 

A total of 2,542 deaths occurred in England up to 12 September of people who were either confirmed or likely to have had the Delta variant of Covid-19 and who died within 28 days of a positive test, according to new figures from Public Health England.

Of this number, 204 were under the age of 50 and 2,336 were aged 50 or over.

Of the 204 deaths of people under 50, 132 (65%) were unvaccinated, 17 (8%) had received one dose of vaccine and 48 (24%) had received both doses.

Of the 2,336 deaths of people aged 50 or over, 590 (25%) were unvaccinated, 149 (6%) had received one dose of vaccine and 1,565 (67%) had received both doses

Edited September 17, 2021 by superbigal

[H Wragg]

Vaccine certificates coming in in Wales.

[Left Back]

Wales goes for vaccine passports.  Looks a similar set-up to Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-58596128

[anotherchance]

23 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

As predicted, Deepti is on Twitter saying the ONS study is wrong because it doesn't include mood swings in teenagers and brain fog as symptoms. Also, the ONS study includes people who had Covid but were not symptomatic. Jeez...

 

Second best meltdown I’ve seen over the ONS data.

[welshbairn]

I expect they'll be delayed to later in October here too. The firm doing the app said they hadn't been given the final details from NHS Scotland for how they wanted it to work a couple of weeks ago. The Danish version includes photo ID which is something they're probably arguing about behind the scenes.

 

Edited September 17, 2021 by welshbairn

[vikingTON]

Yousaf already giving off plenty of Big Swinney energy at health. 

[Paco]

Wales goes for vaccine passports.  Looks a similar set-up to Scotland.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-58596128

I think as suspected since Johnson mooted it months ago, the advice going to government is pretty heavily in favour of the vaccine passport. The UK Government and the devolved administrations all get the same advice ultimately. It’s a question of political will on whether to resist - Johnson is clearly in favour and has signposted they’ll come in when cases rise. Sturgeon claimed to be against but introduced as soon as cases rose. Drakeford was saying just the other day that the UK Gov were the ones trying to press him into it, and that he wasn’t keen - and yet today he’s voting to bring it about.

A definite ‘are we the baddies’ moment when the only people preventing it UK-wide are the likes of John Redwood and Steve Baker. But here we are.

[Elixir]

35 minutes ago, s_dog said:

Even though they're the least likely to become seriously ill or die, in the past week alone there's been 150 people under the age of 30 admitted to hospital. Far less than those aged over-70 but they're still taking up beds and staff time and contributing to the hospitals being incredibly stretched. 

Oh wow, a whole 150 people out of over 68 million - most probably in with a broken wrist or appendicitis but testing positive for ole Rona! Better lockdown immediately to protect the NHS!

 

13 minutes ago, Left Back said:

Wales goes for vaccine passports.  Looks a similar set-up to Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-58596128

Pure politics and nothing to do with 'public health'.

[Salt n Vinegar]

It will be interesting to see the mental gymnastics involved in blaming the Welsh measures on the SNP.  

[Todd_is_God]

1 minute ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

It will be interesting to see the mental gymnastics involved in blaming the Welsh measures on the SNP.  

"Doing something because the Tories are doing the opposite" doesn't require much "mental gymnastics"

As Elixir has already mentioned, these decisions, like unanimously wearing masks and bleating about the other side not doing so when they don't have to, are based purely on political grounds, nothing more.

[Salt n Vinegar]

1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said:

"Doing something because the Tories are doing the opposite" doesn't require much "mental gymnastics"

As Elixir has already mentioned, these decisions, like unanimously wearing masks and bleating about the other side not doing so when they don't have to, are based purely on political grounds, nothing more.

Interesting viewpoint.  It is curious that those holding that particular opinion never seem to even entertain the possibility that "the Tories" might be prioritising politics over anything else, and that there is a possibility that it is their opponents who might be acting in the best interests of their populations. 

[RiG]

22 minutes ago, virginton said:

Yousaf already giving off plenty of Big Swinney energy at health. 

[Left Back]

1 minute ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

Interesting viewpoint.  It is curious that those holding that particular opinion never seem to even entertain the possibility that "the Tories" might be prioritising politics over anything else, and that there is a possibility that it is their opponents who might be acting in the best interests of their populations. 

It's naive to think that politicians of all sides aren't prioritising politics over everything else.  It's what they do.  No politician is going to implement a policy they think harms them politically.

[Todd_is_God]

6 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

Interesting viewpoint.  It is curious that those holding that particular opinion never seem to even entertain the possibility that "the Tories" might be prioritising politics over anything else, and that there is a possibility that it is their opponents who might be acting in the best interests of their populations. 

I think it's almost certain that they are acting politically. That doesn't, however, mean they are automatically wrong.

Remember what they are ultimately working towards is returning to what would be considered "normality" - the SG in particular seem to be hell bent on dragging that process out, under the banner of "caring more"

As VT has pointed out below, their recent results from doing the opposite of what the UK Government do / did are not great.

Edited September 17, 2021 by Todd_is_God

[vikingTON]

5 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

Interesting viewpoint.  It is curious that those holding that particular opinion never seem to even entertain the possibility that "the Tories" might be prioritising politics over anything else, and that there is a possibility that it is their opponents who might be acting in the best interests of their populations. 

The complete divergence of Scotland and England's Covid rates since face coverings were binned south of the border gives lie to that argument.