Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[TheScarf]

8 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

I hope your glowing in the adulation of a handful of rabbit hole dwellers who honestly believe they’re talking for the wider population when they’re not.

Your mum will be proud of you.

You voted for Brexit, so you'll forgive us if we all file your opinion in the bin where it belongs.

[Granny Danger]

3 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

You voted for Brexit, so you'll forgive us if we all file your opinion in the bin where it belongs.

Your opinion matters as much to me as mine does to you.

[TheScarf]

Ooft, that's me told.

[Lyle Lanley]

48 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

Agree with Devi but it should have been done months ago.

 

 

First time I’ve agreed with her in a long time. 

[anotherchance]

The vaccines can and do stop some degree of infection and transmission - not entirely, not to the degree we’d all like, but the narrative that they “don’t” just feeds anti vaxx nonsense. 

Severe disease still being the biggie obviously.

[Michael W]

Devi is shifting to stay relevant as it becomes increasingly apparent zero Covid is a busted flush. At any rate the conversion is welcome because she is a close advisor to Sturgeon and panic from her would've indicated some bad news to come. 

Best leave the zero covid stuff to fringe "shadow governance" groups. 

[Marshmallo]

"The wider population actually hates young people too"

[anotherchance]

41 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Your opinion matters as much to me as mine does to you.

I’m moderately interested in why you have a pathological hatred for young people, (from a back of the fag packet psychology perspective)

It’s quite weird.

[Lyle Lanley]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/sturgeon-i-dont-want-to-go-back-to-anything-like-lockdown?top

[Elixir]

3 hours ago, Todd_is_God said:

At what point does it become fair to ask if improper use of facemasks actually increases transmission, to the point there is a net detriment from mask mandates?

Meanwhole, a seven day average of two deaths in mask free Sweden!

 

2 hours ago, scottsdad said:

There's always one...

I'm fairly sure there are numerous studies that indicate vaccine protection is essentially the same, regardless of whether you're classed as clinically vulnerable or not.

Indeed, the clinically vulnerable were still vulnerable before Covid...

 

1 hour ago, Michael W said:

Devi is shifting to stay relevant as it becomes increasingly apparent zero Covid is a busted flush. At any rate the conversion is welcome because she is a close advisor to Sturgeon and panic from her would've indicated some bad news to come. 

Best leave the zero covid stuff to fringe "shadow governance" groups. 

Yeah, she's a snake who knows fine well which way the wind is blowing. It's genuinely only ultra extremists who still believe elimination and maximum suppression are still viable, especially since poster childs Australia and New Zealand are now in tatters. Their reputations won't recover once the pandemic has run its course and she knows this, I'm just surprised she didn't pivot sooner. Of course, this is another thing called correctly by The Main Event, as the likes of TheJTS98 slink off into the background.

[Elixir]

1 hour ago, TheScarf said:

You voted for Brexit, so you'll forgive us if we all file your opinion in the bin where it belongs.

At least he'll no need to drive the wife to the shops now seeing as there's f**k all there.

[welshbairn]

3 minutes ago, Elixir said:

Meanwhole, a seven day average of two deaths in mask free Sweden!

 

I'm fairly sure there are numerous studies that indicate vaccine protection is essentially the same, regardless of whether you're classed as clinically vulnerable or not.

Indeed, the clinically vulnerable were still vulnerable before Covid...

 

Yeah, she's a snake who knows fine well which way the wind is blowing. It's genuinely only ultra extremists who still believe elimination and maximum suppression are still viable, especially since poster childs Australia and New Zealand are now in tatters. Their reputations won't recover once the pandemic has run its course and she knows this, I'm just surprised she didn't pivot sooner. Of course, this is another thing called correctly by The Main Event, as the likes of TheJTS98 slink off into the background.

Swedish Covid death toll, 14,670, New Zealand, 26. Aye the Kiwis fair fucked it, with far fewer restrictions than Sweden.

[Bairnardo]

Just now, Lochdown said:

 

And screw the Simpsons, 

 

How fucking dare you

[Bairnardo]

1 minute ago, Lochdown said:

I dare.

A curse on you

[Billy Jean King]

During the pandemic there has been no shortage of unedifying mewling from the older generation about ‘irresponsible kids’, so it’s no surprise to find boomers wailing about vaccine hesitancy from the younger generation.

When the JVCI can’t make a convincing case that the benefits of vaccination for under 30s outweighs the potential risks, even when the risk of a dangerous adverse reaction to the vaccines is vanishingly small (1.1 cases per 100k in age group 20-29 suffering serious harm from vaccination (AZ) compared to 0.8 cases per 100k ICU admissions prevented by vaccines in the same age group, according to JVCI’s own data) then it’s crystal clear that there is very little compelling evidence to suggest that the under 30s need to be vaccinated for their own good. Indeed the evidence suggest the opposite - that vaccination is riskier for under 30s than contacting the virus, contrasting sharply with the clear benefits offered by vaccination to older cohorts.
It’s probably fair to say that (notwithstanding their general incompetence) both the Scottish and English governments are fully aware of the negligible risks presented to the younger generation by the virus, and (whatever their pronouncements to the contrary suggest) there is an unspoken acceptance in government that the virus will circulate freely among the younger, healthier age groups, and that natural immunity by infection will play almost as significant a role as vaccination in ensuring that the under 30s acquire immunity.
The contention that kids have some altruistic debt to their elders or moral obligation to get vaccinations they don’t really need for the benefit of the fully-vaccinated, who are currently enjoying maximal protection, is so deeply engrained in the popular mindset that it’s taken for granted, but it’s really just another instance of the ‘what can the younger generation do for us’ mantra that has become endemic since the start of the pandemic. Thinking back to the disgraceful Scottish government TV advertising campaign, where kids were being exhorted not to kill their grandparents, it’s not difficult to see how this view became mainstream.

What can the younger generation do for us? Well apart from accepting the hugely diminished experience that now passes for an education over the last 18 months (with more to come), and seeing their job opportunities wither on the vine, while their social opportunities and leisure pursuits (live music, arts, hospitality, nightclubs, sports, dating etc.) are stigmatised and criminalised. All the stuff that older generations were able to enjoy to the full are the very things that we’ve demanded younger generations sacrifice to keep us old timers safe.
I’ve got a 17-year old daughter who is going to Uni in September, and she’s taken it upon herself to get vaccinated, (by going to a drop-in centre, not because she’d received a blue letter - she hasn’t). I’m delighted that she chose to get vaccinated, but I’d have been just as supportive of her had she chosen not to. The pandemic has effectively ruined the last 18 months of her life, which is a much more significant proportion for her than it is for me, at a time when having a normal social life (meeting friends and prospective partners) is a crucial part of her development and mental well-being. I’m acutely aware of the sacrifices that she, her friends, and indeed all youngsters have made.
It’s long past time for double-vaccinated old timers like myself to start letting the younger generations (to whom we are already hugely indebted) enjoy their lives once again - restriction free - without stigmatising them as reckless or irresponsible, and without threatening to crack down on them and their favoured pursuits at the first opportunity. There’s a disproportionate amount of stick being used to beat younger generations with, and a negligible amount carrot on offer in a dystopian new world where governmental control of businesses and draconian restrictions on civil liberties have become the new normal.
It’s not the responsibility of the younger generations to protect the elderly any more: the vaccines are doing a perfectly good job of this, and (in conjunction with occasional boosters if needed) will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Ultimately all the fuss about vaccine hesitancy among the young is simply masking an incontrovertible truth: Covid simply isn’t much of a threat to anyone that isn’t elderly and / or afflicted with multiple co-morbidities, and the apparatus of governmental control that has inhibited, controlled and restricted our lives since the start of the pandemic has represented a much greater threat to the welfare of the younger generation than the virus.

Is Bozo still set to demonize unvaccinated youngsters in England further from the end of September by introducing vaccine proof for hospitality like nightclubs ?

[Billy Jean King]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/sturgeon-i-dont-want-to-go-back-to-anything-like-lockdown?top

The media are gagging for it, ramping it up by the hour.

[Elixir]

35 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Swedish Covid death toll, 14,670, New Zealand, 26. Aye the Kiwis fair fucked it, with far fewer restrictions than Sweden.

I'm sure people in Sweden are devastated. Oh no, wait, they're not and are getting on with life as New Zealand shuts up shop again a full year and a half into the pandemic. Death from Covid isn't actually the only measure of success either, and New Zealand will see a considerable number of deaths when, or if, they hope to rejoin the world. In fact, there's probably little they can now do to get their current outbreak under control unless they start Wuhan-style welding people into their homes.

Edited August 25, 2021 by Elixir

[Elixir]

Meanwhile cases in England are down on this time last week. Must be the masks!

[welshbairn]

6 minutes ago, Elixir said:

I'm sure people in Sweden are devastated. Oh no, wait, they're not and are getting on with life as New Zealand shuts up shop again a full year and a half into the pandemic. Death from Covid isn't actually the only measure of success either, and New Zealand will see a considerable number of deaths when l, or if, they hope to rejoin the world. In fact, there's probably little they can now do to get their current outbreak under control unless they start Wuhan-style welding people into their homes.

NZ have spent almost the whole pandemic unconstrained by any rules apart from travel. Now you're salivating because they're behind in vaccination and might get hit by one of these fast transmitting variants you keep laughing about as if they don't matter. What kind of utter w****r would actually celebrate this?

Edited August 25, 2021 by welshbairn

[Elixir]

4 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

NZ have spent almost the whole pandemic unconstrained by any rules apart from travel. 

Which has done a fantastic job of... leading to another lockdown as the rest of the world starts to move on without them, their economy continues to tank, they foster increasing anti-immigrant sentiment, have seen surges in hospital due to the suppression of other endemic viruses, and families are cut apart indefinitely. Brilliant.