Left Back Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Just now, virginton said: You were the one who claimed that every adult in the country could cite unpaid carer status. They quite clearly can't going by the actual definition of visiting relatives rather than the one you furiously concocted in your own head. That's really not my fault champ. Really? Practically every adult in the country can't find a definition to be a carer under the published guidelines? These two are particularly vague. emotional support visiting a relative who lives far away once a month Phoning someone to ask how they're getting on is giving emotional support no? You're having a bit of a nightmare here if you think that can't be stretched. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmadrid Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 24 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Alright gang - opinions please. My folks have asked if my two kids (aged 15 and 10) would like to go and spend the night with them this week. Pre-covid they stayed with them once a week. They stayed once last summer, but that's been it. Mum has hat both jabs, dad has had one and their opinion is certainly in the "f**k it" category. They want to have a fun night with the grandkids. I'm inclined to just let them go. Can anyone here tell me why not (aside form the fact it's currently not legal)? Go for it, they (both grandparents and Children) have missed too much time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Left Back said: Really? Practically every adult in the country can't find a definition to be a carer under the published guidelines? These two are particularly vague. emotional support visiting a relative who lives far away once a month Phoning someone to ask how they're getting on is giving emotional support no? You're having a bit of a nightmare here if you think that can't be stretched. Phoning someone is not the same as visiting someone, so would not qualify as unpaid care. The only person having an utter, calamitous disaster here is yourself then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, virginton said: Phoning someone is not the same as visiting someone, so would not qualify as unpaid care. The only person having an utter, calamitous disaster here is yourself then. it says nothing about how you give emotional support. doesn't mention you have to be physically with them so why don't you have another go? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 We're still absolutely no further along in establishing why it is the business of people who are not clinically vulnerable whether people who they do not actually know are getting vaccinated as unpaid carers btw. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Left Back said: it says nothing about how you give emotional support. doesn't mention you have to be physically with them so why don't you have another go? It quite clearly cites 'visiting a relative who lives far away once a month' as its example of emotional support. And the vaccination page also prompts user to select between face to face care or not so you're wrong once again. Your claim that everyone who swans over to a relative's or picks up the phone can be classed as an unpaid carer and get a vaccine is therefore complete and utter nonsense. Try reading the relevant guidance again for the sake of comprehension, rather than to stoke your bizarre sense of injustice. Edited April 12, 2021 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 32 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Alright gang - opinions please. My folks have asked if my two kids (aged 15 and 10) would like to go and spend the night with them this week. Pre-covid they stayed with them once a week. They stayed once last summer, but that's been it. Mum has hat both jabs, dad has had one and their opinion is certainly in the "f**k it" category. They want to have a fun night with the grandkids. I'm inclined to just let them go. Can anyone here tell me why not (aside form the fact it's currently not legal)? You can justify it as "childcare" too -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 36 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Alright gang - opinions please. My folks have asked if my two kids (aged 15 and 10) would like to go and spend the night with them this week. Pre-covid they stayed with them once a week. They stayed once last summer, but that's been it. Mum has hat both jabs, dad has had one and their opinion is certainly in the "f**k it" category. They want to have a fun night with the grandkids. I'm inclined to just let them go. Can anyone here tell me why not (aside form the fact it's currently not legal)? A case could be made that you shoud refrain because part of parenting is to set an example to one's kids. If the 15yo is particularly bright, they might be able to weigh up the pros and cons and agree that there;s no reason not to go ahead. The younger kid will simply see that his parents only obey the rules when it suits them. Obviously, I don't know you or your family irl, so there is plenty of scope for nuance here. Basically, I'd discuss it with the other half (I'm asuming there is one?) and do what feels right. Personally, I'd go ahead, but as someone else said, don't make a fuss about it. Watch out - the chances of Lee Wallace being around are low, but never zero. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 31 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Thanks everyone. I will just let them go. Childcare, 15 year old can be providing support for your mother (remember you saying your old man is in his late 70’s with medical conditions?) also caring is also about psychological wellbeing of vulnerable people and whatever arseholes say, thats quite clearly going to be improved by your kids seeing your dad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 12, 2021 Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 Outside scottsdad's parents house at the weekend, after I've grassed them up 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, virginton said: It quite clearly cites 'visiting a relative who lives far away once a month' as its example of emotional support. And the vaccination page also prompts user to select between face to face care or not so you're wrong once again. Try reading the relevant guidance again for the sake of comprehension, rather than to stoke your bizarre sense of injustice. I'm not talking about getting vaccinations. I'm discussing the vague criteria of being a carer. The clue is in the link I posted which is the criteria for being a carer. It mentions nothing about vaccinations. Also it doesn't state what you claimed at all. It cites it as an example of potential emotional support (as well as the other things listed). The word "could" leaves it sufficiently vague and open to interpretation. My wife phones her elderly father pretty much every day since my mother in law died recently. Are you trying to claim she isn't giving him emotional support (and she's been vaccinated in case anyone thinks I'm angling for carer status)? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Left Back said: I'm not talking about getting vaccinations. I'm discussing the vague criteria of being a carer. The clue is in the link I posted which is the criteria for being a carer. It mentions nothing about vaccinations. Also it doesn't state what you claimed at all. It cites it as an example of potential emotional support (as well as the other things listed). The word "could" leaves it sufficiently vague and open to interpretation. My wife phones her elderly father pretty much every day since my mother in law died recently. Are you trying to claim she isn't giving him emotional support (and she's been vaccinated in case anyone thinks I'm angling for carer status)? Do you think the guidelines are too vague and should be reformed? Edited April 12, 2021 by NotThePars 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 hour ago, scottsdad said: Thanks everyone. I will just let them go. Sounds like quite a night in store for scottsmaw 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Go Tesco! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scosha Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 The Welsh quite rightly up in arms about restrictions at this point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Went to Blair Drummond on Friday there. Not a bit of social distancing in sight. Place was hoaching. Tremendous. Felt like the good old days. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: Went to Blair Drummond on Friday there. Not a bit of social distancing in sight. Place was hoaching. Tremendous. Felt like the good old days. No mobile phones in sight, just people having a good time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, TheScarf said: No mobile phones in sight, just people having a good time. Well apart from weegies trying to take photos of goats and otters and shit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Went to Blair Drummond on Friday there. Not a bit of social distancing in sight. Place was hoaching. Tremendous. Felt like the good old days.Shame. If I'd have known you were only 20 minutes from my door I'd have nipped along, given you a severe thrashing and fed you to the lions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: 9 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: Went to Blair Drummond on Friday there. Not a bit of social distancing in sight. Place was hoaching. Tremendous. Felt like the good old days. Shame. If I'd have known you were only 20 minutes from my door I'd have nipped along, given you a severe thrashing and fed you to the lions. I would have just climbed on the back of the said otter and you wouldn’t have been able to reach me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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