Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Todd_is_God]

5 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

Fair play to those willing to risk a blood clot for a suntan and to cut some shapes in Benidorm.

Given the risk of DVT from a flight is higher than a clot from the AZ Vaccine, this is a moot point.

[Left Back]

10 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

Fair play to those willing to risk a blood clot for a suntan and to cut some shapes in Benidorm.

Do people cut shapes in Benidorm?  I thought they went to Ibiza for that kind of thing.

[Empty It]

Can't wait for them to ban crowds for the football next season as one person who's cousin might've been at hampden for one of the games test positive.

[Bairnardo]

Fair play to those willing to risk a blood clot for a suntan and to cut some shapes in Benidorm.

Fair play on another terrible attempt in this thread

[Miguel Sanchez]

1 hour ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

Fair play to those willing to risk a blood clot for a suntan and to cut some shapes in Benidorm.

Keep trying mate, someone might care eventually.

[s_dog]

4 hours ago, Rugster said:

I’ve already had my first dose and unfortunately I’m not under 30 but if I was I would still take it if offered. 4 in a million chance of this side effect. Higher side effect risks in some over the counter medicines. 

For those under 30, it's a 1 in 100,000 risk (the 4 in a million includes all ages). Still pretty low risk, but they're balancing it out with the even lower risk of serious illness if you contract Covid-19 and giving you a different vaccine instead.  

It's taken them longer than it should have to come to this conclusion, and there are questions to be asked over the way the UK Gov, media etc defended it when concerns were raised in Europe, and how they've all of a sudden went from less than 10 to 79 cases & 19 deaths in the UK. But at least they're finally addressing it and it appears a pretty considered solution that hopefully won't have too much impact on the vaccine roll-out.

Unfortunately, it looks like the vaccination roll-out for the under-50's is going to be delayed with the drop in supplies likely to last longer than first expected. 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/06/england-covid-vaccine-programme-could-slow-sharply-sage-warns

 

[Scosha]

I’m due to get a vaccine on Sunday but I’m under 30. Does this mean I’ll be getting the moderna/Pfizer or be told to come back another time if they’re only doing the AZ at the vaccine centre (one in Clydebank)? 

[s_dog]

1 hour ago, Thistle_do_nicely said:

makes it a bit more surreal seeing all this about clotting in the news and my partner literally had (and still has) blood clotting in and around her lungs after the jag, went to A&E for short breath and pain in her left side the other week. she's having to go through chemo too though and it says online on a decent enough source that clotting can be an ordinary side effect to chemo so not necessarily a reasonable side effect if you're in ordinary health but yeah. I mean not everyone is in the same risk categories but she is kind of peeved that they've given her that jag and it looks like it's contributed to her having to take another trip to A&E. Her gran got the Pfizer one and has been fine, too, so that doesnt help.

Hope she continues her recovery, but the blood clotting that's an issue with the Oxford/AZ vaccine is a particular type, CVST and to a lesser extent clotting in the abdomen and both also combined with very low levels of platelets. So hopefully what she's experiencing is just an ordinary side effect of her treatment and nothing to do with the vaccine. 

[Thistle_do_nicely]

17 minutes ago, s_dog said:

Hope she continues her recovery, but the blood clotting that's an issue with the Oxford/AZ vaccine is a particular type, CVST and to a lesser extent clotting in the abdomen and both also combined with very low levels of platelets. So hopefully what she's experiencing is just an ordinary side effect of her treatment and nothing to do with the vaccine. 

cheers, actually kinda reassured by your post - once she's finished all her treatment then that'll hopefully be that with the clotting rather than having to worry about anything chronic from the jag. edit: she's going to ask at her next appointment about what happens with the vaccine now for her 2nd dose, she's a bit wary especially with all the media focus on the blood clots recently, best thing for it to get a specialist opinion tbf.

Edited April 7, 2021 by Thistle_do_nicely

[Todd_is_God]

10 minutes ago, madwullie said:

From what I understand (not much tbf) this is a completely different and far more serious (and rarer) type of clot than a DVT associated with flying or a sedentary lifestyle, and the type usually caused by the contraceptive pill, so I'm not entirely sure how useful those comparisons are. 

Nuances aside, the relative risk is still higher from flying than it is from the vaccine.

Anyone taking the vaccine for the sole reason of being allowed to go on holiday should be more concerned with the flight if it is a blood clot they are specifically worried about.

[madwullie]

Just now, Todd_is_God said:

Nuances aside, the relative risk is still higher from flying than it is from the vaccine.

Anyone taking the vaccine for the sole reason of being allowed to go on holiday should be more concerned with the flight if it is a blood clot they are specifically worried about.

I deleted the post because I wasn't convinced I was right

[Left Back]

3 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Nuances aside, the relative risk is still higher from flying than it is from the vaccine.

Anyone taking the vaccine for the sole reason of being allowed to go on holiday should be more concerned with the flight if it is a blood clot they are specifically worried about.

There’s probably many things that people do frequently without a second thought that carry a far higher risk of death than blood clots caused by AZ.

[Todd_is_God]

Just now, madwullie said:

I deleted the post because I wasn't convinced I was right

Whether you were or not actually doesn't matter tbf, as it's not likely that the media etc would cover all the bases if they wanted to go down that route.

They'd more than likely use the lazy, contextless "Costa del Sol or Costa Life?" type headlines designed to sell papers.

[Ron Aldo]

Who had Nigeria in the variant sweepstake?

Apparently the vaccines are useless but if you give all your money to a Nigerian Prince then you're spared from death.

[vikingTON]

1 minute ago, Ron Aldo said:

 

 

Who had Nigeria in the variant sweepstake?

Apparently the vaccines are useless but if you give all your money to a Nigerian Prince then you're spared from death.

 

 

That'll be Hamilton Accies already covered then.

[Todd_is_God]

3 minutes ago, Left Back said:

There’s probably many things that people do frequently without a second thought that carry a far higher risk of death than blood clots caused by AZ.

Of course there are. But this is Covid so deaths are not acceptable.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

10 minutes ago, Ron Aldo said:

 

 

Who had Nigeria in the variant sweepstake?

Apparently the vaccines are useless but if you give all your money to a Nigerian Prince then you're spared from death.

 

 

Terrifying

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Just checking what minimum capacities have been announced for the grounds used for the Euros:

 

• Hampden - 25%
• Bilbao - 13,000 -  25%
• Bucharest - 13,000 - 23.34%
• Dublin - no guarantee given - likely to be dropped from the host cities
• Wembley - not announced yet - but FA want 50% (45,000) - subject to UK government decision
• Copenhagen - 12,000 - 31.5%
• Amsterdam - 12,000 - 21.6%
• Baku - TBC
• Budapest - TBC
• Munich - TBC 
• Rome - 25%
• St Petersburg - 50%

 

It seems that only Russia and the FA are having higher capacities - capacity for Hampden is similar to those other host cities that have announced.

In case anyone missed it - the deadline on fan capacities was also extended today to 28 April:

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210407-dublin-euro-2020-games-in-doubt-uefa-extends-fan-deadline

Last chance saloon for the Irish one would think - but also been done you would think to ensure the Germans are ready.

Edited April 7, 2021 by DeeTillEhDeh

[Todd_is_God]

1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Just checking what the minimum capacities  for the other grounds used for the Euros:

 

• Hampden - 25%
• Bilbao - 13,000 -  25%
• Bucharest - 13,000 - 23.34%
• Dublin - no guarantee given - likely to be dropped from the host cities
• Wembley - not announced yet - but FA want 50% (45,000) - subject to UK government
• Copenhagen - 12,000 - 31.5%
• Amsterdam - 12,000 - 21.6%
• Baku - TBC
• Budapest - TBC
• Munich - TBC 
• Rome - 25%
• St Petersburg - 50%

 

It seems that only Russia and the FA are having higher capacities - capacity for Hampden is similar to those otehr host cities that have announced.

In case anyone missed it - the deadline on fan capacities was also extended today to 28 April:

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210407-dublin-euro-2020-games-in-doubt-uefa-extends-fan-deadline

Last chance saloon for the Irish one would think - but also been done you would think to ensure the Germans are ready.

I mentioned this yesterday, but given our vaccination progress compared to most of the world, I am very disappointed this isn't reflected in the Hampden capacity proposal.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Just now, Todd_is_God said:

I mentioned this yesterday, but given our vaccination progress compared to most of the world, I am very disappointed this isn't reflected in the Hampden capacity proposal.

I assume that because these are minimum capacities that the capacity could be increased if required?