PWL Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Left Back said: While I don’t disagree we’ve been dreadful this is simplistic. Are all these countries measuring death by Covid in the same way? As per link - stats complied by Oxford Uni. If we take excess deaths as gospel then we have to accept that no one died of Covid in Norway last year as their excess deaths actually fell. Clearly a combination of the two will provide the correct answer. But has been the case throughout - it's easy to produce a graph to defend just about any position with regards to Covid. Except to prove that it was over as a crisis last autumn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 As per link - stats complied by Oxford Uni. If we take excess deaths as gospel then we have to accept that no one died of Covid in Norway last year as their excess deaths actually fell. Clearly a combination of the two will provide the correct answer. But has been the case throughout - it's easy to produce a graph to defend just about any position with regards to Covid. Except to prove that it was over as a crisis last autumn.I shared some time ago a link (can't find it now) showing how differently excess deaths can be calculated. As a measure within a country, assuming the way it is measured is not radically altered, it can be used to make comparisons. Between countries is more problematic as you may not be comparing like with like.Then you have the whole issue of which deaths are attributable to Covid-19.I'm sure Todd could give you a critique of that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, virginton said: A cascade of tears and snotters from the Sridhars, Harvies etc. of the world now that their weirdo, zero Covid fantasy land is being drop kicked into the bin. Reveal hidden contents Sridhar is in The Guardian agreeing (with reservations) about Johnson's roadmap. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/22/england-covid-roadmap-lockdown-experts-view 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Ad Lib said: The standard unit of time used to identify trends throughout the pandemic. Ah yes. Differently counted covid deaths between 11th Jan - 17th Jan 2021 is definitely the focus... It's quite a shock you didn't get elected with such zingers in your arsenal. Edited February 22, 2021 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Parr Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, PWL said: The confidence on this thread placed in Johnson, statistically the worst leader in the western world in terms of deaths, is quite something. You mistake confidence for utter desperation. A year of separation from loved ones will do that to you. If the leader up here could be anything more than hopelessly negative then folk might be less inclined to look towards the fat buffoon for some hope. Edited February 22, 2021 by George Parr 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Interesting to see what NS comes out with tomorrow considering what was done today. Probably just present the same data differently, maybe switch a couple of dates around by a week or so. Wow, what a genius. So glad we have her as our leader, we’re definitely better than England even though we did everything the same and made the same mistakes we did it better. I can’t see her coming up with anything different or original and it better not be some over cautious nonsense. Maybe tiered system? -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, PWL said: As per link - stats complied by Oxford Uni. If we take excess deaths as gospel then we have to accept that no one died of Covid in Norway last year as their excess deaths actually fell. Clearly a combination of the two will provide the correct answer. But has been the case throughout - it's easy to produce a graph to defend just about any position with regards to Covid. Except to prove that it was over as a crisis last autumn. So in the absence of a yes I have to assume you agree it’s a no then. Oxford may have compiled the stats but each individual country measures this in different ways. You can show anything you want with individual statistics. It doesn’t necessarily mean you’re arriving at a fact. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Devi and Leitch will be spewing today, their heads will be in their hands at this press conference. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, Steven W said: Yes. Johnson has went big and bold, but with necessary and sensible caveats. Sturgeon has a track record of being very careful and cautious. Tomorrow is an opportunity for her to lift the mood of the nation. The vaccines are going to be a big success, so she should act accordingly with the road map. I don't know if she will make her move tomorrow but she knows the prize for winning this race. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) Whitty scrunching Sridhar's #ZeroCovid emails into a ball and practicing his 3 pointers at this point. Edited February 22, 2021 by Todd_is_God 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Donathan said: Officially the plan is end of July but looking at those leaked supply figures that @Todd_is_God posted and then allowing for second doses to take place 3 months after the first, we should be looking at all adults in the UK to be offered a vaccine by mid-May. Projected increase in the supply (Mainly driven by Oxford/AZ, but also partially by Moderna coming on line) means that we should be aiming for 600k-750k total doses per day UK wide from the start of March (Apart from a dip in mid-March) Those "leaked supply figures" were made public by the Scottish government as part of a report which said that all JCVI groups 1-9 would receive both doses by the end of May. This was under the current 12 week dosing plan. It said absolutely nothing about people beyond that, but the implication was that these groups would take much longer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Peston banging on about R rates 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 minute ago, craigkillie said: Those "leaked supply figures" were made public by the Scottish government as part of a report which said that all JCVI groups 1-9 would receive both doses by the end of May. This was under the current 12 week dosing plan. It said absolutely nothing about people beyond that, but the implication was that these groups would take much longer. 99% of deaths come from those groups. There is no justification for continued disproportionate restrictions in order to keep the other 1% safe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Apparently Devi has penned an article in the guardian praising the roadmap. That’s a curveball. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Those "leaked supply figures" were made public by the Scottish government as part of a report which said that all JCVI groups 1-9 would receive both doses by the end of May. This was under the current 12 week dosing plan. It said absolutely nothing about people beyond that, but the implication was that these groups would take much longer.Those numbers go far, far beyond the JCVI 1-9, even allowing for second doses 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Tunbridge Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 People on the bbc news special moaning about waiting 4 months to get back to normal. Wait till you hear ‘wee nippy’ the mora ladz. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) It's quite bizarre that folk think this is somehow a gung ho approach to reopening. A minimum of 4 months to fully reopen society is as gradual a toe dipping exercise as you could imagine. Edited February 22, 2021 by djchapsticks 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Just now, Donathan said: Apparently Devi has penned an article in the guardian praising the roadmap. That’s a curveball. And an indication NS's may not be all that different, perhaps? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Chris Whitty getting it right up virginton there, destroying his “infection factory” thesis. You love to see it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 A 66% uptake was what the WHO predicted. That is a huge number of unvaccinated people and could overwhelm the NHS if there is a spike. -9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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