Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[super_carson]

Obviously it's a bit of hearsay, so take with a pinch of salt, but I was chatting to a pal who works for West Lothian council earlier, apparently the tier system will be brought back in but will be change from what it was before to be harsher.  

What that means, I don't know.  Whether that's the thresholds are tougher or what you can do in each tier is reduced but the SG doubling down on the whole "we take tougher action than anyone".

[Ad Lib]

34 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

Regarding Hancock, if I "acted illegally" I would expect to be arrested and charged.

If I committed said act at work, I almost certainly would be sacked.

He isn’t being accused of a criminal act.

Illegality is not the same as criminality.

[Markka]

9 minutes ago, Gaz said:

Falkirk Council doubling down on their claim that only 'mainstream' P1-P3 pupils are to return full-time while those in enhanced or specialist provision are only to return part-time (four days) while some of the district's severe and complex pupils are to only get two days. They claim this is what the SG said last week.

Absolutely shameful and clear discrimination. No other council is claiming that this is what's meant to happen.

From speaking to my mate who works in an ASN school (in North Ayrshire), all of their P1-P3 are going back full-time, and the most vulnerable have still been in school previously, so he thinks they will be at roughly 50% capacity next week. So aye, Fallkirk Council's stance seems odd.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

13 minutes ago, Ad Lib said:

The legal answer to this is because paragraph 1(1) of Schedule 7 of the Health Protection (Coronavirus) (Restrictions and Requirements) (Local Levels) (Scotland) Regulations 2020 require individuals using either (a) a passenger transport service or (b) passenger transport service premises to wear a face covering.

Further, paragraph 1(2) adds that a person is using passenger transport service premises if they are “present at premises where a passenger transport service may provide, stop or terminate their service, and the part of those premises in which they are present is available for use by the public.”

So technically people should be wearing masks if they are in the immediate vicinity of a bus stop, too. Whether it is inside or outside is not relevant for Schedule 7.

Ironically the Police don’t have to wear a face covering at a train station if they’re on duty because “a constable acting in the course of their duty” is exempt.

They have an exemption in law but standard operating procedure is that they must be worn in public unless alone in a vehicle. 

[Elixir]

1 minute ago, Tynierose said:

Ah the good old tier system that they introduced and totally ignored the last time.

The stats that are only uses when it suits, the science that's only used when it suits.

Beyond fucking parody.

#zerocovid

#jaselovesdevi

And the mind-blowingly efficacious vaccines just don't really matter, it seems.

This whole thing reeks of absolute shit.

[Ad Lib]

11 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

They have an exemption in law but standard operating procedure is that they must be worn in public unless alone in a vehicle. 

Yes, hence I said “ironically” as Markka was actually right: “because your commanding officer ordered you to”.

[No_Problemo]

Definitely sensing some proper resentment building up in terms of lockdown now. Be interesting how that develops over the coming weeks as all the vulnerable are vaccinated. 
 

In terms of the numbers, there is definitely some lockdown fatigue creeping in now. Parts of Scotland basically been in lockdown for five months. SG are clueless if they don’t expect that - people can’t live this way for such a long length of time. The messaging that it could continue for a further two months certainly doesn’t help. 

[AyrExile]

40 minutes ago, Tynierose said:

Ah the good old tier system that they introduced and totally ignored the last time.

The stats that are only used when it suits, the science that's only used when it suits.  Yes I know you're in tier two according to our criteria that we created  but we will stick you in 3 or 4 anyway. Joke.

Beyond fucking parody.

#zerocovid

#jaselovesdevi

My favourite was when the tier criteria was met but they  closed places down as people from neighbouring areas would visit 

[Hedgecutter]

[Burnieman]

Definitely sensing some proper resentment building up in terms of lockdown now. Be interesting how that develops over the coming weeks as all the vulnerable are vaccinated. 
 
In terms of the numbers, there is definitely some lockdown fatigue creeping in now. Parts of Scotland basically been in lockdown for five months. SG are clueless if they don’t expect that - people can’t live this way for such a long length of time. The messaging that it could continue for a further two months certainly doesn’t help. 

#enoughisenough ?

[Thereisalight..]

52 minutes ago, super_carson said:

Obviously it's a bit of hearsay, so take with a pinch of salt, but I was chatting to a pal who works for West Lothian council earlier, apparently the tier system will be brought back in but will be change from what it was before to be harsher.  

What that means, I don't know.  Whether that's the thresholds are tougher or what you can do in each tier is reduced but the SG doubling down on the whole "we take tougher action than anyone".

Harsher even though theres vaccines on the go? Aye sounds about right with the undiscovered variants out there

[No_Problemo]

5 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

23 minutes ago, No_Problemo said:

Definitely sensing some proper resentment building up in terms of lockdown now. Be interesting how that develops over the coming weeks as all the vulnerable are vaccinated. 
 
In terms of the numbers, there is definitely some lockdown fatigue creeping in now. Parts of Scotland basically been in lockdown for five months. SG are clueless if they don’t expect that - people can’t live this way for such a long length of time. The messaging that it could continue for a further two months certainly doesn’t help. 

#enoughisenough ?

Noticed that earlier, partially but more generally on social media seeing quite a big swing in terms of how people are viewing things now we are a decent bit into the vaccination programme. Anecdotally as well, I don’t really know anyone who isn’t baffled by the current overwhelmingly negative rhetoric. 

[Elixir]

31 minutes ago, No_Problemo said:

Definitely sensing some proper resentment building up in terms of lockdown now. Be interesting how that develops over the coming weeks as all the vulnerable are vaccinated.

In terms of the numbers, there is definitely some lockdown fatigue creeping in now. Parts of Scotland basically been in lockdown for five months. SG are clueless if they don’t expect that - people can’t live this way for such a long length of time. The messaging that it could continue for a further two months certainly doesn’t help.

This idea that we'll more or less be fully vaxxed by mid to late summer, yet at best have the same level of 'freedoms' as last summer, indeed potentially without international travel, surely cannot be tolerated in any way?

It's just not tenable and there will surely come big legal challenges from industry when it becomes clear the health service is not under threat.

Edited February 20, 2021 by Elixir

[Burnieman]

Noticed that earlier, partially but more generally on social media seeing quite a big swing in terms of how people are viewing things now we are a decent bit into the vaccination programme. Anecdotally as well, I don’t really know anyone who isn’t baffled by the current overwhelmingly negative rhetoric. 

Lockdown fatigue is growing from what I can see, and as the vaccine programme rolls out and people get a handle on when the vulnerable groups will all be jagged, and as cases drop, then they're questioning these negative undertones of restrictions for the foreseeable future.

Easter could be the breaking point.

[Markka]

7 minutes ago, No_Problemo said:

Noticed that earlier, partially but more generally on social media seeing quite a big swing in terms of how people are viewing things now we are a decent bit into the vaccination programme. Anecdotally as well, I don’t really know anyone who isn’t baffled by the current overwhelmingly negative rhetoric. 

From the little I've seen, people sharing the #enoughisenough hashtag have tended to be the established covid deniers/lockdown sceptics.

With that being said, if it gets to the point where I think the lockdown restrictions are excessive, I'd probably end up reluctantly protesting alongside those folk.

[craigkillie]

2 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Im sure you’d have hit out with a total zinger that they’d have never heard before. Why not remind them that you pay taxes and therefore their wages? I bet that would go down well. 

Maybe if they didn't consistently behave like c***s unnecessarily to folk (eg the guy posting earlier in the thread), then they wouldn't hear this patter so much. Food for thought.

[super_carson]

Noticed that earlier, partially but more generally on social media seeing quite a big swing in terms of how people are viewing things now we are a decent bit into the vaccination programme. Anecdotally as well, I don’t really know anyone who isn’t baffled by the current overwhelmingly negative rhetoric. 

I've noticed this too, and more and more people are looking to bend the rules to get some sort of social contact with others.

It's been said that the polls still show support for restrictions but I think we will see that change in the coming weeks. A combination of lockdown fatigue and resentment about the negativity while the vaccination programme is on going is surely going to push it that way.

Lockdown can only work so long as people are prepared to go along with it, once that compliance slips away the effectiveness does too. I said before that lockdowns are a lazy option for governments as it shifts the responsibility on to the general public, so if dissent became widespread it would put governments in a very tricky position as to how they tackle it.

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

My perception is that the majority of people are still on board with harsh restrictions. Old people especially are risk averse and continue to believe that lockdown is necessary until the government says it isn't necessary. **

 

**This isn't my personal opinion and is only based on anecdotal evidence and conversations with my 85 year old parents. However, I think every recent poll points to the fact that a majority of people support continuous and severe restrictions. 

 

 

[Burnieman]

From the little I've seen, people sharing the #enoughisenough hashtag have tended to be the established covid deniers/lockdown sceptics.
With that being said, if it gets to the point where I think the lockdown restrictions are excessive, I'd probably end up reluctantly protesting alongside those folk.

These things sadly always get hijacked by the crazies, but the guy who kinda started it isn’t one of them, and a lot of people sharing it seem relatively normal...

[Ad Lib]

14 minutes ago, Markka said:

From the little I've seen, people sharing the #enoughisenough hashtag have tended to be the established covid deniers/lockdown sceptics.

With that being said, if it gets to the point where I think the lockdown restrictions are excessive, I'd probably end up reluctantly protesting alongside those folk.

I wouldn’t because they won’t have been vaccinated!