Detournement Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Bairnardo said: They are trying to scaremonger uptake of the vaccine IMO It's proven not to work. Australia have a policy called No Jab, No Pay where people don't get child benefits unless their kids have the MMR jab and it has reduced uptake. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Detournement said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/13/new-do-not-resuscitate-orders-imposed-on-covid-19-patients-with-learning-difficulties https://www.nature.com/articles/s41571-020-00446-0 I was reading an article earlier about an ex nurse who had a breast cancer diagnosis at the start of the pandemic. Her treatment was put on hold and now its spread to her brain. She was basically saying how it's the National Health Service and not National Covid Service. As I've said before its Covid uber alles these days, fck everything else 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Just now, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Religion is the cause of so many of societies problems. The idea that i have to put up with lockdown because some cults sky fairy beliefs cause rates to shoot up is bollocks. I preferred your previous version of this post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: Hmmm....a word that vaguely sounds like 'concentration'. Nup, nothing springs to mind. Quarantine hotels...no, we've had that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: I preferred your previous version of this post. It was probably a bit too risque. But i stand by the now deleted points that pretty much most of whats gone wrong in the world is down to religion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 10 minutes ago, Detournement said: It's proven not to work. Australia have a policy called No Jab, No Pay where people don't get child benefits unless their kids have the MMR jab and it has reduced uptake. Pretty much. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X20307611 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: It was probably a bit too risque. But i stand by the now deleted points that pretty much most of whats gone wrong in the world is down to religion. I personally have no time for religion (as I stated when that discussion kicked off on here a few days ago). That’s a lot different to trampling all over someones religious beliefs because they contradict how you think people should live their lives though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclizine Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Detournement said: I'd argue that since the reduction in contact is entirely down to decisions made by the UK government it's essentially the same as denying care. Current government policy guarantees these outcomes. No it doesn't, that's just gross hyperbole. GPs were and are always open and the referral pathways for urgent care were and are too. I don't deny that routine care has been significantly affected and will be for some time. 17 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said: I was reading an article earlier about an ex nurse who had a breast cancer diagnosis at the start of the pandemic. Her treatment was put on hold and now its spread to her brain. She was basically saying how it's the National Health Service and not National Covid Service. As I've said before its Covid uber alles these days, fck everything else See, I don't doubt that there are some cancer patients that have slipped through the cracks, however, it is unfair to say this is the norm. I am going to sound harsh here, but brain metastases do not appear in a couple of weeks/months from diagnosis. I suspect her cancer was significantly more advanced at presentation. What do you expect us to do? How could we possibly have continued to provide the same routine services when hospital capacity rose massively and staff were redeployed? It's not as if we have a massive reserve of trained staff just lying around and huge areas of real estate lying empty. We ran with little reserve capacity at the best of times. There is a huge amount of work going on at board level to plan recovery of services. A return to some form of normality will take years. There will be huge changes in how services will be delivered, both elective and emergency. Edited February 14, 2021 by Cyclizine 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav-ffc Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Detournement said: NHS and care staff are PCR testing multiple times a week. Currently at our work we are 2 lateral flow tests a week and one PCR. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest_Fifer Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 My only crusade is to get out of this shit. We are nearly a year into this(and are going to comfortably meet the year mark and then some) and yet you are trying to justify delaying that cos you want to let a minority of our population do whatever the f**k they want? That’s madness. Yea I have a disagreement generally with religion, but normally it’s a case of live and let live, if they are choosing to sing hymns and I choose to go to the pub then what the hell, let’s be civil. If you go beyond that and are being a c**t to the detriment of society then expect to be called out on that. Correct me if I'm wrong(and I'm atheist btw) , but it's not the mainstream religions that are antivax is it? It's more the fundamentalist loonies, 5G conspiracists, etc (which includes all the Facebook wackjobs) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 41 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said: A vaccine passport to get into Tesco Worlds gone fcking mad I'd want to be fully vaccinated before I ventured into Asda and that's nothing to do with Covid. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest_Fifer Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 It's proven not to work. Australia have a policy called No Jab, No Pay where people don't get child benefits unless their kids have the MMR jab and it has reduced uptake.Only that's not true is it ? it has increased vaccination rates . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gaz Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 If we remain locked up for one minute longer than necessary because of a group of wackjobs refusing to vaccinate because of their batshit mental religious beliefs I will be apoplectic with rage. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 23 minutes ago, Left Back said: I personally have no time for religion (as I stated when that discussion kicked off on here a few days ago). That’s a lot different to trampling all over someones religious beliefs because they contradict how you think people should live their lives though. Well i’d kinda be ok with that argument if for example people didnt use their religious beliefs to undertake actions which impact quite heavily on other people. Look at Blair and Bush’s justifications for iraq, the aids epidemic in africa being spiked by lies about condoms, the orthodox jewish and other conservative religious communities refusing to engage largely with covid restrictions leading to massive spikes in infections in the areas they live within which in turn mean lockdown etc lasts longer. If people want to believe that the bible isnt made up lies or the book of mormon will actually deliver them to another planet where jesus lives or that god would rather people contracted hiv than had protected sex then thats absolutely up to them more power to them. But when their views impact on how secular people live their lives then no. That religious congregations are stated by clownshoes to be the second biggest priority for easing restrictions is an absolute disgrace. Religion is an absolute cancer. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Anything that keeps Jehovah’s Witnesses socially distanced is alright with me.1000 milles do you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Are we doing mass PCR testing? Very little asymptotic PCR testing is taking place.Schools from 22 February. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 3 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Anything that keeps Jehovah’s Witnesses socially distanced is alright with me. 1000 milles do you? Yes. Preferably north of here. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Well i’d kinda be ok with that argument if for example people didnt use their religious beliefs to undertake actions which impact quite heavily on other people. Look at Blair and Bush’s justifications for iraq, the aids epidemic in africa being spiked by lies about condoms, the orthodox jewish and other conservative religious communities refusing to engage largely with covid restrictions leading to massive spikes in infections in the areas they live within which in turn mean lockdown etc lasts longer. If people want to believe that the bible isnt made up lies or the book of mormon will actually deliver them to another planet where jesus lives or that god would rather people contracted hiv than had protected sex then thats absolutely up to them more power to them. But when their views impact on how secular people live their lives then no. That religious congregations are stated by clownshoes to be the second biggest priority for easing restrictions is an absolute disgrace. Religion is an absolute cancer. The aids epidemic in Africa has no relevance to the point at hand and any religious group or community in the UK ignoring covid restrictions should be subject to the full force of the law. Go wild. Fine them, lock them up or inflict whatever punishment can be meted within law. the point being discussed was excluding people from society because of a religious belief that bars them from being vaccinated. That exclusion is a dangerous road to go down, especially when it is against the law. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted February 14, 2021 Author Share Posted February 14, 2021 I’ve missed the conversation on this but the number of people in Scotland who belong to religious groups who refuse vaccines is minute, probably less than one or two thousand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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