welshbairn Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Archie McSquackle said: 22 minutes ago, welshbairn said: All the initial supplies of AZ and Pfizer came from Belgium too, hopefully AZ are fully up and running in Wrexham by now. Janssen is fully owned by Johnson and Johnson, so America will likely get first dibs on any uncontracted supply. Wockhardt in Wrexham is essentially a bottling plant. They make it at various manufacturing plants around Britain and it's taken there in bulk for packing into individual doses. It's been running on two 'fills' per week for a while which could be up to a million doses each depending on which manufacturer it's coming from. Wockhardt was supposed to be the hold up, they had plenty of vaccine, the packaging was holding it up. Maybe they were short of vials or something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Third world countries really don't have a hope of seeing vaccines any time soon. Granted, most are largely younger, non-obese demographics that aren't badly affected. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, MP_MFC said: The telegraph now reporting that the EU will block Pfizer from exporting to make up for the shortfall from AZ and at best future supplies will be severely delayed. Again, I expect it's nonsense, especially as its the telegraph reporting an anti EU story, but if it came to fruition could have a major impact on the vaccine strategy. Don't think we're there yet, tbf. Not a smart route for the EU to go down so hopefully just words being said in anger. They are raging with AZ; not just a small issue, but 60% less than expected. There's even talk of suing them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Wonder if this'll have any impact on AZ's push for a 2nd place finish in the Eredivisie. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibsFan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said: Wonder if this'll have any impact on AZ's push for a 2nd place finish in the Eredivisie. Bring back Shteve McClaren to oversee this shambles IMO. ETA - yes I've also just remembered he managed FC Twente but I had to go and find the smiley and I'm sticking with the post. f**k the lot of you. Edited January 25, 2021 by HibsFan 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Michael W said: Don't think we're there yet, tbf. Not a smart route for the EU to go down so hopefully just words being said in anger. They are raging with AZ; not just a small issue, but 60% less than expected. There's even talk of suing them. That's a massive misstep from them if they follow up on this. In stating this, they surely risk companies actually moving vaccine production outwith the EU. It's clearly in direct response to the UK but given the UK has its own production facility, will surely only serve to harm developing nations. Edited January 25, 2021 by djchapsticks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Elixir said: Third world countries really don't have a hope of seeing vaccines any time soon. Granted, most are largely younger, non-obese demographics that aren't badly affected. But also all of them are non-white which are more effected and I'm not sure non-obese is quite the same as malnourished, which kills 300,000 people alone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Don't think we're there yet, tbf. Not a smart route for the EU to go down so hopefully just words being said in anger. They are raging with AZ; not just a small issue, but 60% less than expected. There's even talk of suing them. That's utterly bonkers, relocate your Big Pharma to the UK basically seems to be the unintended message. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: 25 minutes ago, Michael W said: Don't think we're there yet, tbf. Not a smart route for the EU to go down so hopefully just words being said in anger. They are raging with AZ; not just a small issue, but 60% less than expected. There's even talk of suing them. That's utterly bonkers, relocate your Big Pharma to the UK basically seems to be the unintended message. I doubt they'd want to swap a market of 450 million for one of 70 million. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I doubt they'd want to swap a market of 450 million for one of 70 million. American pharma are looking at potential profits from a world of 7.5 billion. Anything that threatens that will be fucked off pretty quick. If they can make more by flogging to non-eu countries guess who’s going to the back of the line. Edited January 25, 2021 by Left Back 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red23 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 On 23/01/2021 at 09:03, dirty dingus said: Let the show begin. Anti Bigot vaccination i hope. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Left Back said: American pharma are looking at potential profits from a world of 7.5 billion. Anything that threatens that will be fucked off pretty quick. If they can make more by flogging to non-eu countries guess who’s going to the back of the line. Biden's enforcing the Defence Production Act. Not sure what that means for Johnson and Johnson's overseas subsidiaries, but I'm pretty sure we won't be seeing any Moderna vaccines for a long time. Astra Zeneca are British/Swedish with global shareholders, Pfizer are American but their vaccine is jointly owned with a German firm. It could get very messy and the rest of the world could be relying on the Russians and Chinese over producing and not being too greedy on price. Edited January 26, 2021 by welshbairn -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC. Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Anti Bigot vaccination i hope.NHS Lanarkshire will be inundated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, GNU_Linux said: Wonder if this'll have any impact on AZ's push for a 2nd place finish in the Eredivisie. Out of interest, is your avi Misato? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Out of interest, is your avi Misato?Yes. I see you too are a man of culture. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 9 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: The AZ vaccine was always pish compared to the other two. They tested for asymptomatic cases unlike the other two, so the efficacy numbers reported are not directly comparable as far as I am aware. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 14 hours ago, ICTChris said: There's a balance of risks going on with this. The risk of the protection waning from the first dose by pushing the booster out has been judged (1)to be less than the protection given by giving the protection of the first dose to as many people as possible. Given that we know for certain the protection given by the first dose and that vaccine specialists (2)have broad understandings of the mechanism of the booster dose then it seems like an understanable decision. The iniital results from Israel, who are using the Pfizer vaccine in their rollout, show solid levels of protection from the first jab(3). Obviously though this is rapidly evolving and dependant on further data. Also, I'm fairly certain that the JCVI didn't decide that the guy called William Shakespeare got one of the first doses. (4) 1. By who? Not, according to the BMJ, the manufacturers - and it would be a strange business who talked down thir product without good reason. 2. Again - specialists who know more than those who actually developed the vaccines? 3. In a world where we don't trust a word that comes out of Moscow or Beijing, why do we treat every Israeli statement as Gospel? This is a country which won't admit having nuclear warheads.. 4. I never said they did, but another cog in the same PR machine most certainly did. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Have some faith in Magic Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 8 hours ago, 101 said: But also all of them are non-white which are more effected and I'm not sure non-obese is quite the same as malnourished, which kills 300,000 people alone. you can't extrapolate BAME in this country being at higher risk, to people all over the world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Regarding profiteering remember Pfizer have already changed their packaging to say a vial which was previously sold as 5 doses is now sold as 6 doses. No change to the contents of said vial. This actually can f**k up a lot of the planning of the 2nd doses as countries were banking on this buy 5 get one free strategy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 https://www.ladbible.com/news/news-man-removed-from-hospital-after-trying-to-discharge-covid-19-patient-20210126?c=1611646359449&fbclid=IwAR2IkYRiJAu_WvtLHFa8BPEqARO-vu8Sv9W5kNesYjisKplKU_3ni99gGpkExcuse the fact it’s ladbible, but I feel we’re at the stage conspiracy theorists need to be dealt with seriously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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