Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, virginton said: If you are interested in not burning endless piles of money and punting restrictions into the sea at the earliest possible moment, absolutely. Wee Jeanne dithering along to retirement in May clearly doesn't though, which is why she should be emptied. You can't just magic up events after burning through two years' worth of cash across whole sectors of the industry. The live event sector is going to be a shadow of itself unless governments get their finger out of their arse and provide as much as support as they chucked at feckless Scottish football clubs, if not more. Aye, can hardly see folk queuing up to be roadies or work in live entertainment logistics after the pandemic. Venues shutting down etc. This summer was going to be a kinda massive lift for the industries in Scotland that rely on these events. That we are not going to allow these concerts and shows etc when we have vaccinated the most at risk and even a good chunk of those with minimal risk for an illness which will at that time be as risky and deadly as seasonal flu is madness. There absolutely will be a legal challenge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: It won't be difficult to justify keeping any area in current restrictions until there is a considerable, sustained drop in hospital / ICU admissions and deaths. Cases per 100k is pretty much irrelevant in isolation. You are not going to see any restrictions eased while the NHS is yet to hit the peak never mind seen sustained easing on resources. While that's true many of us are taking significant reassurance that numbers are coming down. Through time this will lead to decrease in hospital/ICU admissions and deaths. It's a given that no restrictions will be eased with very high hospital numbers but the latest data re case numbers is good news for all that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, mizfit said: Can tell you right now most insurers will be looking to explicitly name a pandemic as an exclusion going forward. Thought it was already included in most policies as Force Majeure? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Thought it was already included in most policies as Force Majeure?Yes, most policies stopped covering pandemics after sars. c***s that they are 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherchance Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, Distant Doonhamer said: While that's true many of us are taking significant reassurance that numbers are coming down. Through time this will lead to decrease in hospital/ICU admissions and deaths. It's a given that no restrictions will be eased with very high hospital numbers but the latest data re case numbers is good news for all that. Absolutely this - numbers still aren’t great but hopefully we aren’t far off the hospital/ICU/death numbers peaking - and there’s no reason that we should see these sorts of numbers again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just now, anotherchance said: Absolutely this - numbers still aren’t great but hopefully we aren’t far off the hospital/ICU/death numbers peaking - and there’s no reason that we should see these sorts of numbers again. Is it not 5-7 days for symptoms and then a further 7-10 days for hospitalisation, if an infection comes to that? So, hospitalisations lag around 2 weeks behind infection rates and deaths up to a further week behind that. You would expect to see improvement from the end of the month. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 26 minutes ago, ICTChris said: There must have been some support for the live event sector? Surely? I don't see why outdoor events events couldn't be allowed maybe they could use rapid flow tests on arrival for an extra bit of piece of mind. The cases must be lower than at the same time Cheltenham was allowed to go ahead which apparently was the "right decision" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/Article/2020/09/15/Vaxart-First-tablet-COVID-19-vaccine-to-enter-clinical-trials Obviously a long way off, but a tablet vaccine - now that would be a game changer. Wonder if the UK have anything on order for this? Or are we just pinning our hopes on Pfizer, AZ, Moderna, Valneva, J&J (and one other that I can't rememeber) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Unsure if already posted, but to balance yesterday's "lockdown forever" doom and gloom news, here's a different take on things, UK chief medical adviser Prof Chris Whitty has spoken about "de-risking" Covid. His point is that we will reach a situation at which the level of death and illness caused by Covid is at a level society can "tolerate" - just as we tolerate 7,000 to 20,000 people dying from flu every year. Sociologist Prof Robert Dingwall, who advises the government on the science of human behaviour, believes that point will be reached sooner rather than later. "I think we will see a pretty rapid lifting of restrictions in the spring and summer. "There are some sections of the science community that want to pursue an elimination strategy - but once you start seeing fatality levels down at the level of flu I think the public will accept that." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/Article/2020/09/15/Vaxart-First-tablet-COVID-19-vaccine-to-enter-clinical-trials Obviously a long way off, but a tablet vaccine - now that would be a game changer. Wonder if the UK have anything on order for this? Or are we just pinning our hopes on Pfizer, AZ, Moderna, Valneva, J&J (and one other that I can't rememeber)Lovely 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleMoo Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/Article/2020/09/15/Vaxart-First-tablet-COVID-19-vaccine-to-enter-clinical-trials Obviously a long way off, but a tablet vaccine - now that would be a game changer. Wonder if the UK have anything on order for this? Or are we just pinning our hopes on Pfizer, AZ, Moderna, Valneva, J&J (and one other that I can't rememeber)Its pretty remarkable what's been achieved in a year. Read today that there's over 160 vaccines at different stages of development currently. Obviously not all will make it but it's really encouraging nonetheless 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, WATTOO said: Unsure if already posted, but to balance yesterday's "lockdown forever" doom and gloom news, here's a different take on things, UK chief medical adviser Prof Chris Whitty has spoken about "de-risking" Covid. His point is that we will reach a situation at which the level of death and illness caused by Covid is at a level society can "tolerate" - just as we tolerate 7,000 to 20,000 people dying from flu every year. Sociologist Prof Robert Dingwall, who advises the government on the science of human behaviour, believes that point will be reached sooner rather than later. "I think we will see a pretty rapid lifting of restrictions in the spring and summer. "There are some sections of the science community that want to pursue an elimination strategy - but once you start seeing fatality levels down at the level of flu I think the public will accept that." Not sure it is really news. The idea that COVID will be around as long as humans exist has been mentioned a few times by scientists , which implies a discussion of how many deaths are tolerable . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, sparky88 said: Not sure it is really news. The idea that COVID will be around as long as humans exist has been mentioned a few times by scientists , which implies a discussion of how many deaths are tolerable . Based on Whitty's comparison to flu, 7-20,000 The vaccine will easily achieve that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 21 minutes ago, MuckleMoo said: 33 minutes ago, Steven W said: https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/Article/2020/09/15/Vaxart-First-tablet-COVID-19-vaccine-to-enter-clinical-trials Obviously a long way off, but a tablet vaccine - now that would be a game changer. Wonder if the UK have anything on order for this? Or are we just pinning our hopes on Pfizer, AZ, Moderna, Valneva, J&J (and one other that I can't rememeber) Its pretty remarkable what's been achieved in a year. Read today that there's over 160 vaccines at different stages of development currently. Obviously not all will make it but it's really encouraging nonetheless Limitless amounts of money and study participants . High prevalence of COVID makes wider trials easier too. It's not something that all clinical trials can replicate. But the hope is that the work on COVID will have implications for the treatment of other conditions too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, sparky88 said: Not sure it is really news. The idea that COVID will be around as long as humans exist has been mentioned a few times by scientists , which implies a discussion of how many deaths are tolerable . Yes, but on this very thread yesterday we were receiving quote after quote from Sridhar, Ferguson etc which was all pretty negative stuff insinuating that we would have to be locked down indefinitely, so today I have decided to post a contrarian view, which is also from Gov advisors and which shows that the reality will be a decision taken on a number of variables and views from a variety of "experts" and "advisors", as opposed to just blindly following what Sridhar or Ferguson think should happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budmiester1 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Snafu said: Once they create a vaccine that mixes with vodka, now that will be a game changer. Or rum, lots and lots of rum 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, WATTOO said: Yes, but on this very thread yesterday we were receiving quote after quote from Sridhar, Ferguson etc which was all pretty negative stuff insinuating that we would have to be locked down indefinitely, so today I have decided to post a contrarian view, which is also from Gov advisors and which shows that the reality will be a decision taken on a number of variables and views from a variety of "experts" and "advisors", as opposed to just blindly following what Sridhar or Ferguson think should happen. The good thing is that Whitty holds more weight that Sridhar, and we already know from her endless mewling that not only does he disagree with her zero covid fantasy, he disagrees with it so much he doesn't even feel her emails are worthy of a reply. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Yet more fear mongering. Wouldn't expect anything less from this rag right enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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djchapsticks Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, Ron Aldo said: Yet more fear mongering. Wouldn't expect anything less from this rag right enough. There needs to be more accounts like Covid Fact Check 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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