Left Back Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 10 minutes ago, Left Back said: Some nut job on BBC at the moment espousing elimination as a strategy. No idea who she is. also saying schools should be shut. She seemed to be suggesting the UKG was moving in that direction through talk of totally closing all borders as part of a new tightening of measures. !!! Totally closing the borders isn’t necessary. Quarantine all arrivals to achieve the same goal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 ShiteEh ! You think they are exaggerating the numbers ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just now, Billy Jean King said: 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: Shite Eh ! You think they are exaggerating the numbers ? No. I think the number is shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Isn’t that 1500 vaccinations down on yesterday! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 No. I think the number is shite.We are not going back to this argument. You sound like DRoss ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Billy Jean King said: The latest BBC morale boosting pick-me-up ! BBC News - Covid: Why won't vaccinating the vulnerable end lockdown? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55757369 This little gem at the end of the article: Quote In the end, it is going to come down to what society is willing to tolerate. UK chief medical adviser Prof Chris Whitty has spoken about "de-risking" Covid. His point is that we will reach a situation at which the level of death and illness caused by Covid is at a level society can "tolerate" - just as we tolerate 7,000 to 20,000 people dying from flu every year. Sociologist Prof Robert Dingwall, who advises the government on the science of human behaviour, believes that point will be reached sooner rather than later. "I think we will see a pretty rapid lifting of restrictions in the spring and summer. "There are some sections of the science community that want to pursue an elimination strategy - but once you start seeing fatality levels down at the level of flu I think the public will accept that." Edited January 22, 2021 by Elixir 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Snafu said: Elimination, what like people? Maybe she didn't like Mondays. Depending on the people I could get on board with that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 16 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Aye in a few years time she will (still) be doing something meaningful and you will still be battering away on your keyboard like the sad fùck you are. Life is harsh. She's no gonny shag ye mate. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 A month since I was last drinking in a pub. Sad! Sturgeon must condemn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 7 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: No. I think the number is shite. We are not going back to this argument. You sound like DRoss ! We should. Freeman said 1m. You don't get to set a target. Half it. Then proclaim to be on target because you look like achieving that. Especially when the resources to hit 1m were available. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) While these elimination fantasists continue to get airtime, the BBC are also giving updates such as: Quote Posted at 9:17 Covid could continue to spread for decades - scientist Coronavirus will continue to spread "probably for decades to come", a scientist says. Paul Hunter is a professor of medicine at the University of East Anglia, where researchers have modelled the effectiveness of the UK immunisation programme, taking into account the new, more transmissible variant. He tells BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "Essentially we found that it’s going to be pretty much impossible to get to a level that we have herd immunity either with the vaccination or indeed with natural infection because of the chance that people will have second infections after their first one." Herd immunity is when a large enough proportion of the population is immune to a disease that it provides indirect protection to others who are not, limiting its spread. Prof Hunter says there is "no doubt" the vaccination programme will make "a huge difference" and help life get back towards normal. “We do know that the vaccines are very good at stopping people getting severe illness and dying but don’t really know how well the vaccines work to stop the spread of infection," he says, adding that this means there will continue to be a risk to people who have not had the jab. Edited January 22, 2021 by Elixir 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, Left Back said: Depending on the people I could get on board with that. Count me in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: We should. Freeman said 1m. You don't get to set a target. Half it. Then proclaim to be on target because you look like achieving that. Especially when the resources to hit 1m were available. The number of doses required to hit a million weren't available 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just now, renton said: The number of doses required to hit a million weren't available Then the minister responsible for the vaccination program shouldn't have pledged one million by the end of this month then. And should promptly resign for making of arse of it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 The number of doses required to hit a million weren't available He's been told all this umpteen times including the "Freeman million" never being a target, pretty sure someone even posted her transcript. The target is groups 1-5 by the beginning of March always has been but he like Ross and the Tories wants to make ita politicalfootball. One can only assume that is for SNPbaaad reasons. I see even VT is now accepting it wasn't a target now calling it a pledge which was nearer the mark and tes she should never have said that but the amount of rowing back from the initial euphoria of the vaccine approvals is palpable now right to the top. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, renton said: The number of doses required to hit a million weren't available But they were. The SG's very own document shows a total of over 1.2m doses (+5% / 60k that are estimated to be wasted) were going to be available by the end of January. I have no issue with people supporting the SG's strategy, that's their prerogative, so long as they acknowledge that the SG are actively choosing to throttle the delivery of the vaccines, and go slower than is possible. Edited January 22, 2021 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, virginton said: Then the minister responsible for the vaccination program shouldn't have pledged one million by the end of this month then. And should promptly resign for making of arse of it. Its not an invalid point, though it would surely reckon on the veracity of their information she herself received on vaccine delivery, no? As a seperate practical concern then, any plan should be judged against what is physically achievable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 I was promised 500 toilet rolls by a company in China, only 100 arrived. (true story) It was all my fault obviously. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: He's been told all this umpteen times including the "Freeman million" never being a target, pretty sure someone even posted her transcript. The target is groups 1-5 by the beginning of March always has been but he like Ross and the Tories wants to make ita politicalfootball. One can only assume that is for SNPbaaad reasons. Freeman stated one million to be vaccinated by the end of January on Radio Scotland. There may be extenuating circumstances, but she quite clearly shouldn’t have said this. Edited January 22, 2021 by No_Problemo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 I get why you can't just lift all restrictions after all "vulnerable" groups have been vaccination. If you are getting 1500 cases a day in lockdown, without any vaccination, and 10% (just picked this figure out my arse for comparisons sake) require hospitalisation then you aren't going to be in a better position, NHS-wise, if you remove all restrictions and let the virus spread throughout the unvaccinated "non-vulnerable" population where you could see 15000 cases a day of which 1% required hospitalisation. What surely should be getting done is modelling to determine the maximum restrictions that can be binned whilst keeping the hospitalisation rate at a level the NHS can manage. There has been no information like this made available to the public, only articles like the BBC one above. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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