Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[speckled tangerine]

2 hours ago, craigkillie said:

 

I once nearly got locked in here after jumping in to use the toilet before I caught the train home. Came back out and they were closing up the place for the night.

Are you sure you're not recalling an episode of "Terry and June"? Was there a vicar involved?

[Rugster]

1 minute ago, Steven W said:

Didn't catch all of today's briefing. What I did see seemed to focus largely on Celtic. Would I be right in saying that it was never touched on about strengthening the current restrictions further? After the jungle drums had beat about it for the past few days, I fully expected it to at least get a mention of some sort.

Being discussed tomorrow at cabinet she said. 

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

5 minutes ago, coprolite said:

In theory, in an ideal world, that sounds reasonable. We don't live in an ideal world though and action is limited by real world political possibilities and reactions. There isn't the consent of the population for that and there isn't the political will to enforce against the wishes of the population. 

It might have worked last March but there's no way it would now. There have already been protests against the current light restrictions.

In practical terms, define "absolutely necessary". At one end, no one can argue that say a bookies is necessary nor that an a&e department is not. But what about, say, road maintenance? If that's ok what about the company that makes the safety gear for the workers? If they also make chefs clothes can they only have one production line going? 

I'm sure you have a ready made delineation to cover all of economic activity as it is so straightforward? 

Again, I think your horizons are limited mentally by the polity within which you reside.

All you need to do is look around the world, other countries that are now in a much better place than we are have done these things, and that's how they got there.  They don't live in an 'ideal' world either, they just have competent governance. We do not, and therein lies the problem.

You have no idea what the consent level is amongst the general population for any particular measure and have just made that up.  It was already demonstrated to you this was believed before the first lockdown and did not materialise, and we have seen virtually no protests with those that have occurred being miniscule in scale and laughed at by the populace.

I don't have to define absolutely necessary, as the govt has already done this.  They called it 'essential', so we can just stick to those guidelines. That would mean manufacturing and construction closed as they were in March, also respite care the same.

We are going round in circles, you will now perform mental gymnastics to come up with some other convoluted pish after I have swatted this tripe away same as the rest. Don't bother, I'm not interested.

[101]

39 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

Its not a comparable situation.  We're not getting a hundred suicides a day in Scotland are we?  

A hundred a day  35,600 a year so half of all deaths are suicide. 

[Moomintroll]

Whatever throbber has done, there is no way it is as bad as some of the shite I have just read over the last few pages of this thread.

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

2 minutes ago, 101 said:

A hundred a day  35,600 a year so half of all deaths are suicide. 

What

[Dons_1988]

4 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

you will now perform mental gymnastics to come up with some other convoluted pish after I have swatted this tripe away same as the rest. Don't bother, I'm not interested.

[Glen Sannox]

2.4 million vaccinated in the UK so far is a fantastic achievement. Well done to all concerned.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

2 hours ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

Actually, studies show the safe distances are this

Sitting down 1.5 m

Standing up 2m

Walking 4m

Jogging 10m

They also think if two people are standing talking and one of them is positive a cloud lingers up to ten minutes after they are gone.  They have found cases in factories in Germany that were poorly ventilated, people working hard, and shouting, and people were infected up to 12m away.  Also found in S Korea people got infected at churches by sitting in the same seat an infected person sat in the day before.

So realistically masks should be mandatory everywhere in public all the time even outside. But bellends like the guy above won't accept it.

You see. lads? This is the kind of well-researched, properly attributed information we need.

Seriously, though - there are many more variables - orientation, ventilation, airflow, indoors/outdoors, numbers of people and their general movement in area, etc.

It's very simple to just take possibly too many precautions rather than trust your judgment. As with one poster up above, I'm an H&S professional and I'll wear a mask most of the working day, and always when out in public. Part of it may be my being in a position where I have to set an example, but its mostly because I'd rather have a wee mark across the bridge of my nose than a ventilator rammed down my throat. My mask probably won't help that, but every individual who my actions persuade to follow suit makes everyone a wee bit safer, and normality a wee bit closer.

I'd appreciate it if more people could put up with minor inconvenience for a wee while rather than whining about "ma assma", and finding loopholes to defy common sense. But maybe that's just me. I heard someone refer to mask-wearing as a "Socialist" behaviour, and I can absolutely get on board with that.

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

3 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

You see. lads? This is the kind of well-researched, properly attributed information we need.

Seriously, though - there are many more variables - orientation, ventilation, airflow, indoors/outdoors, numbers of people and their general movement in area, etc.

It's very simple to just take possibly too many precautions rather than trust your judgment. As with one poster up above, I'm an H&S professional and I'll wear a mask most of the working day, and always when out in public. Part of it may be my being in a position where I have to set an example, but its mostly because I'd rather have a wee mark across the bridge of my nose than a ventilator rammed down my throat. My mask probably won't help that, but every individual who my actions persuade to follow suit makes everyone a wee bit safer, and normality a wee bit closer.

I'd appreciate it if more people could put up with minor inconvenience for a wee while rather than whining about "ma assma", and finding loopholes to defy common sense. But maybe that's just me. I heard someone refer to mask-wearing as a "Socialist" behaviour, and I can absolutely get on board with that.

You should wear a visor.  They're best to protect yourself, a mask too but a visor on top.  

[coprolite]

13 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

Again, I think your horizons are limited mentally by the polity within which you reside.

All you need to do is look around the world, other countries that are now in a much better place than we are have done these things, and that's how they got there.  They don't live in an 'ideal' world either, they just have competent governance. We do not, and therein lies the problem.

You have no idea what the consent level is amongst the general population for any particular measure and have just made that up.  It was already demonstrated to you this was believed before the first lockdown and did not materialise, and we have seen virtually no protests with those that have occurred being miniscule in scale and laughed at by the populace.

I don't have to define absolutely necessary, as the govt has already done this.  They called it 'essential', so we can just stick to those guidelines. That would mean manufacturing and construction closed as they were in March, also respite care the same.

We are going round in circles, you will now perform mental gymnastics to come up with some other convoluted pish after I have swatted this tripe away same as the rest. Don't bother, I'm not interested.

Thinking = mental gymnastics in Pep world.

Enjoy swatting the tripe, that sounds fun. 

[Miguel Sanchez]

1 hour ago, Big Fifer said:

Whatever happened to him?

Supras got banned for following @Dee Man about the forum calling him a rape apologist after the Ched Evans case.

[Alert Mongoose]

29 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

The bold Carnoustie

Sorry, I should have clarified that I wasn’t including those howling at the moon.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

Jesus f**k. Carnoustie Young Guvnor/Pep is an absolute fucking fantasist. The parents/factory scenario is equally as made up as every other pile of shite he posts 

[BFTD]

1 hour ago, Alert Mongoose said:

All we need now is for Supras to be freed and directed to this thread.

I think you'll find that he's already here. If not, then a remarkable tribute act.

[Rugster]

Ah f**k, I didn't realise this moron was Pep. FFS

[Moomintroll]

Just now, Rugster said:

Ah f**k, I didn't realise this moron was Pep. FFS

How could you miss it?

[welshbairn]

Highland's figures seem to be being affected more by clusters in Easter Ross than any general rise in the infection rate, mainly a couple of pubs in Dingwall and now care homes there and in Invergordon. They're the first in the region for the AZ vaccine to get doled out to the over eighties, so it looks like some targeting of highest risk areas is going on. Infection rate has gone from about 20/100,000 in early December up to 250 a few days ago, 175 yesterday and back up to 186 today on 7 day averages. Small outbreaks can have a big effect on the numbers in a low population area.

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

46 minutes ago, Alert Mongoose said:

I’m struggling to see anyone making such a simplistic binary choice.

I don't think that anyone is consciously making a simplistic binary choice, but Covid is the disease du jour at the moment and it's all anyone talks about or thinks about. 

There's no doubt at that health boards are under intense strain, and there's also no doubt that they're prioritising covid treatment over other 'routine' cases. My sister-in-law has kidney cancer and she's had two check ups cancelled in the last 6 months to be replaced by an online consultation. 

Fortunately, she's in remission but as we all well know, when you've had cancer no check up is ever 'routine'. Like many, she's had to grin and bear it and she feels like she's sacrificing something for the 'greater good'. 

Because we're being overwhelmed with news and scientists and statistics and death tallies and whatever else, all to do with covid, people are sub-consciously prioritising it over every other single disease.

But sooner rather than later, this is all going to come back to bite society. Hard. 

Cancer, mental health, God knows what else. We'll get through the covid pandemic soon enough, but we'll live for years with the side-effects......well, most of us will. others may not be quite as lucky. 

 

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]