Guest Bob Mahelp Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 2 hours ago, No_Problemo said: https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/coronavirus/2021/01/devi-sridhar-uk-needs-zero-covid-strategy-prevent-endless-lockdowns Genuinely struggling to get my head round this from Sridhar. Reading between the lines, lockdown until summer and then gradually ease but allowing no foreign travel whatsoever. 1) What is her end game, do we just go on like that for eternity. 2) She also mentions not having another winter like this one. Why would we if the vulnerable population are vaccinated. (Yes, we might need yearly vaccines in terms of new strains 3) Surely in her vision there will be endless lockdowns as every time there are flare ups there will be local lockdowns. My brain simply can’t compute what she is thinking. It's mental, but given how inherently conservative Nicola Sturgeon is, don't be surprised if we edge towards something like this for the next 12 months. Maybe not quite as extreme, but politically the Scottish government will absolutely edge towards the 'safety first' end of the spectrum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Agree with you about taking a hard line, but surely the school she is in is most probably open for childcare hubs? I think they may consolidate schools once they know exact numbers of kids being in emergency care, but not unreasonable for her to need a place if she's involved in supporting/staffing these hubs?Numbers looking for kids to remain at school in Ayrshire are such that most schools will be remaining open next week rather than hubs for now. It was intended to use the same hub schools as last time but the numbers looking to send kids to school is huge in comparison. Been working on it today and it's pretty staggering really, basically it's a trust system no element of actually checking the legitimacy of a claim to be essential. You could basically put down you were a brain surgeon. There has been a whittling process but all based on the applications being factually accurate. Very few being refused ! When we wrapped up today education staff were starting to work on teaching numbers required. No idea what sort of rota they intend putting in place but going to be short notice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibsFan Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 13 hours ago, Dons_1988 said: The roads are generally quite a good indicator. You're right, during the original lockdown they were absolutely dead. Autumn/Christmas time they were as busy as ever before and I thought they might get quieter with the latest restrictions. Not so. This is a good way of judging compliance and especially so as a cyclist*. First lockdown was a dream with almost zero cars on the road, November was business as usual and this current one is more like November than March for sure. *My daily bit of exercise, but yes I suppose there's an element of hypocrisy in me going out on the roads and bemoaning everyone else being out in their cars. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Numbers looking for kids to remain at school in Ayrshire are such that most schools will be remaining open next week rather than hubs for now. It was intended to use the same hub schools as last time but the numbers looking to send kids to school is huge in comparison. Been working on it today and it's pretty staggering really, basically it's a trust system no element of actually checking the legitimacy of a claim to be essential. You could basically put down you were a brain surgeon. There has been a whittling process but all based on the applications being factually accurate. Very few being refused ! When we wrapped up today education staff were starting to work on teaching numbers required. No idea what sort of rota they intend putting in place but going to be short notice.Where in Ayrshire are you working? Because my sister in law has had the total opposite in Kilmarnock (so East Ayrshire). The school was open to key workers only, they had to provide a letter from both employers to say they were key workers and despite both her and her man working (she for the council, he for an events company - which is taking the piss a little, but apparently they also work at the Louisa Jordan Hospital) they were told that they didn't have a place. They eventually got this message at 6pm the night before the schools were to be opening by the way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 ECC is applying rule that both parents need to be key workers for a child to get a place so our number are relatively low. I know some parents have been really upset at the prospect of not getting a place due to their kids having complex ASN or behaviour/engagement problems, and that sucks. However, they need to remember that schools are closed to limit household mixing and if we start to make allowances here and there then it'll get to the point where lots of parents could want special consideration. If that happens, how do we decide who does and doesn't warrant special dispensation to get a place? The whole situation is a bit of a mess and I have lots of sympathy for parents, but ultimately there has to be a line drawn somewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Norn iron bringing in a curfew. 8pm - 6am 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: Norn iron bringing in a curfew. 8pm - 6am Wonder if scotland will do the same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Norn iron bringing in a curfew. 8pm - 6am I swear this happened weeks ago? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Started tonight but announced earlier, I missed it buried under all the other news. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Given absolutely f**k all except Supermarkets are open after 8pm, you have to question what value this will bring. Sounds like doing something for the sake of it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_MFC Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Makes it easier for policing breaches. If you're out during curfew you're easy to spot and fine if you don't have a reason.Basically what France was doing the entire time with the notes they had to carry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Did she say the school was closing? Because pretty much all secondary, a very large number of primary schools and all special schools are staying open.Most schools are open but staff will be in on a rota - the number of staff needed will depend on how many pupils who require places are in - for primary schools it's likely to be more than secondary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scosha Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Portugal had a curfew near New Year time I’m sure where you were only allowed out between 5am & 1pm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Bob Mahelp said: It's mental, but given how inherently conservative Nicola Sturgeon is, don't be surprised if we edge towards something like this for the next 12 months. Maybe not quite as extreme, but politically the Scottish government will absolutely edge towards the 'safety first' end of the spectrum. Ironically the safety first end of the spectrum also involves probably thousands of deaths. People getting a bit too excited about number of deaths today. I think number of deaths is a reflection of increased testing when compared to the spring. The excess deaths number is the important one, and I believe the excess deaths during second wave is far closer to the 5 year average than the first wave. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 7 hours ago, Michael W said: Given absolutely f**k all except Supermarkets are open after 8pm, you have to question what value this will bring. Sounds like doing something for the sake of it. We have had them on and off where I am throughout the last 9 months. In themselves, they may not achieve much but they do make it easier to see who is out and about and thus easier to get people to stay at home. In theory, they help discourage socialising as well. It's all part of a general strategy to make people think twice about going out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 On 04/01/2021 at 17:03, Jacksgranda said: One of my stepdaughters starts back at work in a care home on Friday. She hasn't had her jab yet, and my wife thinks she might not get one as she's agency and not NHS. That couldn't be right, surely? She started back on Wednesday, she gets her jab next Thursday. Her son has asthma, her eldest daughter has a lowered immune system, and she's a toddler and a 9 month old baby in the house. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 9, 2021 Author Share Posted January 9, 2021 Long Covid study 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Massive case numbers in Ireland - 8248 reported yesterday. Made a bit of an arse of things in December. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 9, 2021 Author Share Posted January 9, 2021 Massive case numbers in Ireland - 8248 reported yesterday. Made a bit of an arse of things in December.Ireland has gone from being one of the most in control places in Europe to the worst. In a few weeks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Just read Sridhars article there.... As long as we absolutely finish off the travel and hospitality industry in Scotland, we will succeed in zero covid. This will be worth it, even though we will continue to have open borders with England, and a huge percentage of our population will have been vaccinated. Drunk as f**k on emergency powers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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