parsforlife Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, G51 said: Think the lockdown compliance strategy need a lot more carrot and a lot less stick tbh. The carrot should have been furlough, but not for staying off work and living the same as anyone else. It should have been conditional on following a strict stay at home order. Taking 1000s out the system and contributing to the spread shouldn’t have been an option. Stay in to help out should have been the scheme we spent on as well. Voluntary system to sign up to avoid pubs/gym etc for a period of time and be payed to do so. Edited January 5, 2021 by parsforlife 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MrWorldwideJr said: It is genuinely incredible that we are nearly a year into this pandemic and folk are still churning out 'its just like the flu' as an argument. I don’t say it was just like the flu. I said it kills vulnerable and elderly as the flu does. Edited January 5, 2021 by Thereisalight.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, parsforlife said: The carrot should have been furlough, but not for staying off work and living the same as anyone else. It should have been conditional on following a strict stay at home order. Taking 1000s out the system and contributing to the spread shouldn’t have been an option Eh? You can't just cut people's income and leave them penniless and unable to earn just because they went for a walk outdoors. That's absolutely nonsensical. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 27 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: I’m not debating the effectiveness of masks or refusing to wear one during the pandemic. But having to cover your face by law for no good reason is wrong Where does the no good reason bit come from if you don’t want to debate the effectiveness of them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 The carrot should have been furlough, but not for staying off work and living the same as anyone else. It should have been conditional on following a strict stay at home order. Taking 1000s out the system and contributing to the spread shouldn’t have been an optionAren’t you a delight! If you’re on furlough it means your employment is on life support. Is that the circumstances anyone really wants to act like they’re on holiday? Don’t get me wrong there are some idiots who live in lala land and don’t give a thought to the bigger picture. I doubt very many people actually wanted to be on furlough Like i said before, even the c***s in the jail get out for exercise 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 22 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said: No, but it kills the elderly/vulnerable like the cold and flu can. My ex worked in a care home and 2 or 3 years ago about 8 residents died within a month because of the flu. Nobody outwith family or friends would care about flu deaths any other year Not sure what your point is. People don't act with covid like it's the flu or a cold because it's not like a flu of a cold. Kinda like people don't act like a bumped funny bone is not a broken arm because it's not a broken arm. That's about as clear as I can make it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, MrWorldwideJr said: It is genuinely incredible that we are nearly a year into this pandemic and folk are still churning out 'its just like the flu' as an argument. Why? If you disregard the risk to those in the vulnerable group, it has a very very low IFR. If your counter to that argument is that it is much higher as you get older, then you must also accept that once we protect those most vulnerable then it really is "just like the flu" Perhaps "just another coronavirus" will be a better 'argument' post completion of the Phase 1 plan, despite it more than likely being less lethal than the other coronaviruses as a result. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Why? If you disregard the risk to those in the vulnerable group, it has a very very low IFR. If your counter to that argument is that it is much higher as you get older, then you must also accept that once we protect those most vulnerable then it really is "just like the flu" Perhaps "just another coronavirus" will be a better 'argument' post completion of the Phase 1 plan, despite it more than likely being less lethal than the other coronaviruses as a result. What about younger folk who got fucked with it, my BiLs pal was a fit marathon runner who got it and struggles to get up a flight of stairs months later. Dont think a cold leaves that sort of impact. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, madwullie said: Not sure what your point is. People don't act with covid like it's the flu or a cold because it's not like a flu of a cold. Kinda like people don't act like a bumped funny bone is not a broken arm because it's not a broken arm. That's about as clear as I can make it My point is that people are trotting out “we must protect the elderly/vulnerable” and that ANY death is too many. Whereas before now nobody would give a second thought about any excess deaths attributed to cold/flu/pneumonia etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: What about younger folk who got fucked with it, my BiLs pal was a fit marathon runner who got it and struggles to get up a flight of stairs months later. Dont think a cold leaves that sort of impact. It’s called post viral fatigue. I was a fit and healthy 23 year old and I took chickenpox. I was floored for a year. I couldn’t walk up the stairs without being exhausted. After a shower I was so tired I had to nap. I was off work for 3 months then a phased return to part time hours. Any viral infection has the capacity to leave fatigue. “Long covid” is a rebranded PVF 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: What about younger folk who got fucked with it, my BiLs pal was a fit marathon runner who got it and struggles to get up a flight of stairs months later. Dont think a cold leaves that sort of impact. We're venturing into the "acceptable risk" chat here, but, unfortunately for your BiL's pal, for the country as a whole, relatively rare examples of younger people developing post viral fatigue fall into that category. There is risk in all aspects of life. And we will reach a point where the risk from Covid-19 is deemed acceptable. It won't be zero. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMDP Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 In uncertain times, it is reassuring to know that you can pop into this thread at any time and Todd is God will be making a fool of himself. Keep fighting the good fight, brother. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philpy Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 It's extremely sad and worrying the effects lockdown is having on the younger generation. A customer's nephew took his life near Arthur's seat at the weekend. 18 years old. Talented young footballer with his life ahead of him. Studying for a degree in accounts. Absolutely tragic and heartwrenching. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Somebody's dying from Covid every 33 seconds in the USA at the moment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Hearing of delays in vaccine administration in a hospital in Glasgow today for over 3hrs because no one booked any vaccinators. But this is all going well and we shouldnt be angry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: Somebody's dying from Covid every 33 seconds in the USA at the moment. It's that Tanya Roberts. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: Somebody's dying from Covid every 33 seconds in the USA at the moment. Every time Bono clicks his fingers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, philpy said: It's extremely sad and worrying the effects lockdown is having on the younger generation. A customer's nephew took his life near Arthur's seat at the weekend. 18 years old. Talented young footballer with his life ahead of him. Studying for a degree in accounts. Absolutely tragic and heartwrenching. I saw that online. Heartbreaking and sadly a tale that’s becoming all too familiar. Mental health across all age groups is bound to have deteriorated in the last 10 months. I know for me personally it has 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Thereisalight.. said: This “protecting vulnerable people” line really is wearing thin. Up until 10 months ago nobody on here would give a second thought about spreading the cold or flu to the vulnerable which could kill them. Why the difference now? If you’d have told people to put their life on hold for a year and live with restrictions, plus the threat of losing their job (or only existing to go to work) you’d have been laughed at. 1 hour ago, madwullie said: The difference is covid is neither flu nor a cold. And we've had a flu vaccine for years 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 42 minutes ago, MrWorldwideJr said: It is genuinely incredible that we are nearly a year into this pandemic and folk are still churning out 'its just like the flu' as an argument. Remember that flat earthers exist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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