Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[vikingTON]

3 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said:

I'm sure a qualified historian will be along any minute to properly define the term "modern history," don't worry lads.

Since you asked, I'd go with Hobsbawm in placing the 'modern' cut-off point for much of Europe in 1789 with the French Revolution getting fired up and the emergence of the 'nation' as an abstract political unit entirely distinct from the monarchy. Arguably the 1770s for the transatlantic world and much later than that for the bulk of Africa and Eurasia.

To experience an area still trapped in medieval savagery, try a day trip to Brechin.

[Miguel Sanchez]

yeah, get fucked Gaz

[Theroadlesstravelled]

To be fair I think most countries are struggling to organise the vaccine roll out at the moment. Israel seems to be doing the best.

I’m sure it’ll work itself out.

[vikingTON]

The teachers' unions statements are ridiculously weak and far, far too late in the day. Their workplace has never been a safe environment - nothing has fundamentally changed about this since August, yet the union representatives did f**k all about it.

The Imperial College gurus that the government love to wheel out to support restrictions claimed yesterday that the new variant will increase the R rate by 0.7. Given that SAGE estimated in the summer that schools alone contribute 0.4 to transmission rates then it is clear that they cannot be opened without leading to an exponential growth in cases. So will the governments actually follow The Science?

The obsession with cobbling together back of a fag packet distance learning activities is entirely the wrong approach as well. If we seriously value education then there should be no instruction of any kind until the vaccinations kick in. They can catch up on the lost instruction time at weekends and over the summer instead.

A public health crisis should not play second fiddle to your two weeks in the Algarve in July. It's really that straightforward.

Edited January 2, 2021 by vikingTON

[D.A.F.C]

Exactly why not have the summer holidays now.

[No_Problemo]

Police Scotland embarassing themselves. 
 

 

[LongTimeLurker]

7 hours ago, HTG said:

...Still leaves approximately another 20m people not vaccinated. 

There's no huge rush on the healthy under 50s, because COVID is nothing like as deadly as the media hype builds it up to be and many of them have already had it. Even going as far as all over-50s by spring is about creating an exit route from all the hysteria as much as anything else. It will probably reach the under-50s more quickly than back of an envelope calculations suggest right now though, because other vaccines that are on order like J&J should be available well before July and a significant portion of over-50s will refuse to participate.

[LongTimeLurker]

35 minutes ago, Steven W said:

Batches of Oxford vaccine have begun to arrive at hospitals according to Sky News.

Begs the question why they're not starting the process tomorrow (or tonight even)?

Because it's timed to coincide with any disruption on the first normal workday after Brexit kicked in. OxfordAZ was probably held back for three weeks to divert attention from that in news cycle terms.

[Theroadlesstravelled]

26 minutes ago, No_Problemo said:

Police Scotland embarassing themselves. 
 

 

 

Don’t be a Lee Wallace.

[s_dog]

6 hours ago, strichener said:

I'm not so sure, we are cracking through more than 400k COVID tests every day.  Does a vaccination take longer than a COVID test to administer?

What qualifications do you need in the UK to administer a jab?

Vaccinations will take longer because you're monitored for 15mins after the jag in case of any adverse effects.

Not sure if this is UK wide or just England, but there's a report on the BBC today about a dentist & retired GP both obviously having the required "healthcare experience" to administer vaccines, but have been put off of by the training they need: 

Recognising and managing anaphylaxis, Resuscitation, Safeguarding adults, Safeguarding children, Vaccine administration, Vaccine storage, Health Safety and Welfare, Infection Prevention and control, Introduction to Anaphylaxis, Legal aspects of vaccination, Moving and Handling, Preventing radicalisation, Conflict resolution, Core knowledge for Covid-19 vaccinators, Covid mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 (Pfizer BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine), Data security awareness, Equality Diversity and Human rights, Fire safety.

[Theroadlesstravelled]

“Preventing radicalisation”.

Tommy Robinson leads that course.

[Theroadlesstravelled]

To be honest when it comes to healthcare I do want someone qualified and not some random dentist who says he can do it “nae bother”.

[HeWhoWalksBehindTheRows]

10 minutes ago, s_dog said:

 

Recognising and managing anaphylaxis, Resuscitation, Safeguarding adults, Safeguarding children, Vaccine administration, Vaccine storage, Health Safety and Welfare, Infection Prevention and control, Introduction to Anaphylaxis, Legal aspects of vaccination, Moving and Handling, Preventing radicalisation, Conflict resolution, Core knowledge for Covid-19 vaccinators, Covid mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 (Pfizer BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine), Data security awareness, Equality Diversity and Human rights, Fire safety.

We didnt start the fire 

[Gaz]

1 hour ago, Steven W said:

Batches of Oxford vaccine have begun to arrive at hospitals according to Sky News.

Begs the question why they're not starting the process tomorrow (or tonight even)?

It's the weekend.

If there's anything that should have become apparent over the past year, it's that Britain is stuck in a "get everyone in the office from Monday to Friday 9-5" mentality.

[DiegoDiego]

Vaccinations will take longer because you're monitored for 15mins after the jag in case of any adverse effects.

Surely a nurse could watch over a dozen people for a miniscule chance of side effects whilst the doctor churns through the at risk like Uncle Roy in a January window clearout?

[strichener]

28 minutes ago, s_dog said:

Vaccinations will take longer because you're monitored for 15mins after the jag in case of any adverse effects.

Not sure if this is UK wide or just England, but there's a report on the BBC today about a dentist & retired GP both obviously having the required "healthcare experience" to administer vaccines, but have been put off of by the training they need: 

Recognising and managing anaphylaxis, Resuscitation, Safeguarding adults, Safeguarding children, Vaccine administration, Vaccine storage, Health Safety and Welfare, Infection Prevention and control, Introduction to Anaphylaxis, Legal aspects of vaccination, Moving and Handling, Preventing radicalisation, Conflict resolution, Core knowledge for Covid-19 vaccinators, Covid mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 (Pfizer BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine), Data security awareness, Equality Diversity and Human rights, Fire safety.

Yes but that doesn't mean that it takes 15mins per vaccination.  One person could probably vaccinate 120 people per hour with a staging area for the people to spend 15mins under observation.  Similar to what happens at blood donor sessions.

[Bairnardo]

From what browsing of the internet I was able to do today as I stole a living from my employer, it seems like the media and public opinion are starting to build up a wave of pressure regarding getting the vaccine out rapid. Hopefully this continues and translates into demands to remove restrictions based on hospital numbers, given that current transmissibility is borderline impossible to stop.

Even more hopefully, I hope Scotlands media pick up on this mood since it was notably English media that I felt are shifting the narrative.

[dorlomin]

[101]

55 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

 

Don’t be a philipy

FTFY

Spoiler

I don't think that's his user name

Spoiler

But you get it anyway

 

 

[RH33]

I’m behind in the thread so apologies of already answered, is there a chance the May elections are postponed, is there legislation to cover such an event?