Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Futureboy]

Concomitant  

 

[Billy Jean King]

That depends on how many employees are in the total team and how many parents actually need leave. If you have 4 or 5 parents in a team then the number who actually need full-time level leave is most likely going to be 3-3.5 to begin with. The idea that businesses are going to be cracking the whip to insist that people come in to exploit the great business environment of January 2021 instead of having them take unpaid leave in the wake of nationwide school closures is just dystopian nonsense. 

Unpaid leave, in January aye right. What planet has Inverclyde moved to ffs get real man.

[Rugster]

1 minute ago, virginton said:

What you said doesn't actually need a rebuttal because the same employer rights to deny leave existed for three months and yet there was no actual crisis in childcare. It's a complete nonsense claim then to assert that a similar January 2021 shutdown will produce a wave of employers knocking back childcare. 

It’s not a similar shutdown. That’s part of the point I made earlier that you’ve conveniently ignored twice now, because it doesn’t suit your argument.  

Normally you’re fairly coherent and considered in your posts, if indeed the way you put them across marks you out as an absolute c**t, but on this occasion you’re dying on your arse. 

 

 

[Steven W]

9 minutes ago, virginton said:

Erm no, the SG instructed schools to prepare for the need for blended learning before changing course and doubling down on the schools stay open at all costs approach late in the summer. There's no evidence to suggest that the technology failed to deliver - the decision was party political. Swinney was taking a battering over the exams fiasco and so caved in on the schools. And so here we are. 

In a more rational system parents would of course have had to be dealing with the reality of childcare since August, so quite why we're having a deluge of tears and snotters about it now is a mystery,  

The reason why the SG has prioritised keeping schools is primarily driven by the fact that they are a bunch of populists - the fact that there is an election in May only adds bearing to that as well. 

Either the parental lobby groups knew fine well that chucking 1000 children into the same building all week was not concomitant with a respiratory virus pandemic or they are thick as mince. My explanation gives them the merit of agency by asserting that they are selfish arseholes rather than complete morons. 

Nothing on TV tonight?

[Sergeant Wilson]

I find the parents of young children to be worse than a man short when they're in. At least when they're not there you can make adjustments. Their fluctuating input just makes life more difficult.

[vikingTON]

6 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

Unpaid leave, in January aye right. What planet has Inverclyde moved to ffs get real man.

One in which a global pandemic shut down the UK for three months in the spring, basic human liberties have been clamped down on across the board, economic activity has collapsed, the government had been paying 80% of employees' wages for nine months on demand, the land border is currently closed between the UK and its biggest trading partner and everyone is now being set up for yet another wave in the New Year.

But apart from all of this, the most significant factor in predicting how 2021's policies will pan out is quite clearly your "ye don't get unpaid leave in January though" hot take. What an complete and utter imbecile you are.

 

 

Edited December 21, 2020 by vikingTON

[Futureboy]

Just now, Sergeant Wilson said:

I find the parents of young children to be worse than a man short when they're in. At least when they're not there you can make adjustments. Their fluctuating input just makes life more difficult.

I work in a department of 8. All bar one have kids. We communicate and balance the workload. We are also supporting an industry which works 24/7 and 365 days of the year. Maybe your working practices need looked at.

[Jambomo]

20 minutes ago, virginton said:

That depends on how many employees are in the total team and how many parents actually need leave. If you have 4 or 5 parents in a team then the number who actually need full-time level leave is most likely going to be 3-3.5 to begin with. The idea that businesses are going to be cracking the whip to insist that people come in to exploit the great business environment of January 2021 instead of having them take unpaid leave in the wake of nationwide school closures is just dystopian nonsense. 

This isn’t about business trying to crack the whip, but even with the best intentions you still have to keep services going.

You also have to be fair to those who don’t have kids, other people may need leave as well, not just the parents and annual leave only goes so far - this could go well beyond January.

As an example, I’m in a team of 6 and 3 of them have kids. Two are single parents and one is married to a key worker so the chances are high they’d all need time off. We’d have normally two off at a time so not only can all those who need holidays for childcare not get off but nor could anyone else. There would be no allowance for sickness absence which would be ridiculous management in the midst of a pandemic. 

 You haven’t thought this through at all, it’s a terrible idea.

[D.A.F.C]

[Sergeant Wilson]

1 minute ago, Futureboy said:

I work in a department of 8. All bar one have kids. We communicate and balance the workload. We are also supporting an industry which works 24/7 and 365 days of the year. Maybe your working practices need looked at.

^^^One big happy family.

[Futureboy]

Just now, Sergeant Wilson said:

^^^One big happy family.

??? Alternatively, a group of grown ups who manage to balance a workload and ensure that ops are supported, given that it's a major accident hazard industry.

[vikingTON]

10 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

ETA: didn't process it initially. Are you saying that both parents keeping kids in school is prolonging a pandemic and  the SNP did this because it's a vote winner? 

The self-interested desire for parents to punt their kids into school pushed the government to making a politically convenient but badly flawed policy choice in the late summer, that has  hindered its overall approach to tackling the pandemic. Whether that short-term appeasement of that group delivers political success in the long run (May) is too soon to tell. 

I expect parents to act in their own self-interest: I expect a competent government tasked with dealing with a public health crisis to smack them down appropriately though for the greater good of society. The SNP as much as Johnson's government conspicuously failed that test which explains where we are right now. The limitations of technology have got nothing to do with it.  

[Sergeant Wilson]

4 minutes ago, Futureboy said:

??? Alternatively, a group of grown ups who manage to balance a workload and ensure that ops are supported, given that it's a major accident hazard industry.

You'll be due a medal of some sort.

[Futureboy]

1 minute ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

You'll be due a medal of some sort.

No ta mate, I'm just cracking on with work. 

[Sergeant Wilson]

1 minute ago, Futureboy said:

No ta mate, I'm just cracking on with work. 

^^^Salt of the earth.

[madwullie]

 

[Futureboy]

1 minute ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

^^^Salt of the earth.

Not a big fan of The Stones, but it's a good tune. 

[vikingTON]

22 minutes ago, Jambomo said:

This isn’t about business trying to crack the whip, but even with the best intentions you still have to keep services going.

The only services that have to keep going are listed within the government's key industry/worker guidance. Anything else was shut down between March and June and can therefore operate on a reduced service/back to furlough for the period to come. Other businesses have been opening and closing multiple times due to government restrictions since the summer. 

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You also have to be fair to those who don’t have kids, other people may need leave as well, not just the parents and annual leave only goes so far - this could go well beyond January.

Actually no you don't - businesses suspend 'normal' annual leave for seasonal peak times all the time. 

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As an example, I’m in a team of 6 and 3 of them have kids. Two are single parents and one is married to a key worker so the chances are high they’d all need time off. We’d have normally two off at a time so not only can all those who need holidays for childcare not get off but nor could anyone else. There would be no allowance for sickness absence which would be ridiculous management in the midst of a pandemic. 

You haven’t thought this through at all, it’s a terrible idea.

What's telling about this is that if the SG had gone ahead with its blended learning model then you'd already have been facing this dilemma since August all the way through until now. The problem then is not 'my idea' - which oh btw seems to be coming down the chute going by Johnson's non-committal answer this evening - it is the fact that your team is not fit for purpose when it comes to addressing childcare needs. Either temporary cover is needed to cover this eventuality or you will simply have to run a skeleton service or none at all. The schools were off for three months earlier this year and get a further ten weeks off every so quite why you (collectively) didn't see this problem arising is a mystery. 

Edited December 21, 2020 by vikingTON

[vikingTON]

11 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

You didn't answer my question about your own family members with kids. Has their conduct disappointed you?

No because it's not a period drama so I couldn't give a shit about the 'conduct' of family members with kids either way. 

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