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20 minutes ago, MP_MFC said:

Anyone who celebrates new year over the age of 21 is an absolute wrong un.

As opposed to the celebration of a fictional character who breaks into the house and leaves mysterious presents for little children, aye? Seems legit.

To be absolutely clear modern Hogmanay is generally shite. It is however the traditional and more important Scottish festive holiday that your grandparents and great-grandparents celebrated: as opposed to Christmas Day when they would go to work/football/the pub as usual. That's why Scotland has an extra holiday in January to recover as well.

Next we'll be importing Thanksgiving into this pantheon of generic shite, over-commercialised nonsense that we're supposed to celebrate on an annual basis.

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Are we seeing a big drop in cases caused by the restrictions in tier 3 and 4 or are there just less testing being done?

Hospital numbers are beginning to go down, ICU numbers probably decreasing too certainly at a plateau at worst. Also the NRS death figures down today for the first time after a number of weeks of increase. I suspect this is due to a decrease in cases rather than any decrease in testing.

 

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59 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Theresa May, of all people, nailed it when she said that the Government were publishing selective statistics to support their policies, rather than using all of the available data to determine policy.

I've no doubt this is common practice, it's just much more obvious when swathes of people are looking at all the data, rather than just what is being officially published.

What do you think they were withholding?

If schools were driving infections to the extent that care homes, halls of residences and pubs were it would be immediately obvious with staff and parents testing positive in large clusters. Given that small schools shutting can hit the headlines if this was happening in the larger high schools it would definitely have been reported on.

Given that rates are dropping despite schools resuming post October Week it's obviously the case that it does transmit differently amongst young teenagers or they have already achieved herd immunity mainly due to infections in February/March. 

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Sounds like you just don't what day it is anymore tbh as that's not the reality whether you like Hogmanay or not.
In English ???

FWIW I am often abroad at new year and it is celebrated with far more gusto in Spain or Italy than it is here in my experience. I'm not against celebrating it just stating no one I know does nor does it happen around me. Perhaps that's just a local thing and there are still raucous parties in every street elsewhere.
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Find it quite odd that the concept of shielding has never even so much as reared its head in the discourse during the second wave.


“Herd immunity and f**k the old and ill.”

- D. Cummings.
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I thought NS spoke pretty well around the logic of the Christmas stuff. My extended family won’t be getting together at Christmas. My in laws are split over this. Father-in-law fully supportive, mother-in-law in tears when we discussed it. Father in a care home, largely oblivious to the whole thing.

For me the decisions folk have to make around this reflects exactly the sort of “grown up conversation “ and “personal responsibility” so many seem to have been asking for throughout this.

 

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Just now, Bairnardo said:

Find it quite odd that the concept of shielding has never even so much as reared its head in the discourse during the second wave.

I'm still getting regular texts saying to be extra vigilant at following the general guidance, which isn't a great struggle at level one.                             

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I see that the football breaks are “writing” to NS about getting fans back at games. Obviously they were content to sit back and do nothing until it was announced on Monday about English fans being allowed back
I reckon that letter/email will conveniently be lost in the post/cyber space [emoji58]  


https://spfl.co.uk/news/spfl-press-release-47171

It’s here. To be honest I have very little sympathy with their position, even as a fan desperate to get back to games.

Nobody made them start the season. Nobody promised fans could ever get in. They chose to start the season on the fantasy of limited fans across the country in October and unrestricted crowds in January after a magic wand was waved. That was quite obviously never going to happen and I said as much on here at the time. That’s entirely on the football authorities, not the government.

‘Now is the time to get fans back’ is a line from that letter. Now being the time where two million people in the country can’t leave their house without a valid reason and every single business that isn’t essential is shut, or takeaway only.

They’re living on another planet. Asking for more fans in Tier 1 areas, or maybe even a few hundred in Tier 2... fair enough. A blanket ‘get fans back’? Absolutely idiotic.
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https://spfl.co.uk/news/spfl-press-release-47171

It’s here. To be honest I have very little sympathy with their position, even as a fan desperate to get back to games.

Nobody made them start the season. Nobody promised fans could ever get in. They chose to start the season on the fantasy of limited fans across the country in October and unrestricted crowds in January after a magic wand was waved. That was quite obviously never going to happen and I said as much on here at the time. That’s entirely on the football authorities, not the government.

‘Now is the time to get fans back’ is a line from that letter. Now being the time where two million people in the country can’t leave their house without a valid reason and every single business that isn’t essential is shut, or takeaway only.

They’re living on another planet. Asking for more fans in Tier 1 areas, or maybe even a few hundred in Tier 2... fair enough. A blanket ‘get fans back’? Absolutely idiotic.



Tier 0/1 - up to 2000 fans
Tier 2 - up to 1000 fans
Tier 3 - up to 500
Tier 4 - No fans

However make it clear that this is subject to stadium size etc.

I don’t see it happening though.
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42 minutes ago, Detournement said:

What do you think they were withholding?

If schools were driving infections to the extent that care homes, halls of residences and pubs were it would be immediately obvious with staff and parents testing positive in large clusters. Given that small schools shutting can hit the headlines if this was happening in the larger high schools it would definitely have been reported on.

Given that rates are dropping despite schools resuming post October Week it's obviously the case that it does transmit differently amongst young teenagers or they have already achieved herd immunity mainly due to infections in February/March. 

I don't think they are withholding anything. But they are happy to look for any other location where transmission might have occurred (bus to school / a sleepover, for example) to make "in the classroom" seem less common.

I've no problem with them saying they can't pinpoint exactly where transmission happened, but it's a get out not offered to any other sector.

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6 minutes ago, Paco said:


https://spfl.co.uk/news/spfl-press-release-47171

It’s here. To be honest I have very little sympathy with their position, even as a fan desperate to get back to games.

Nobody made them start the season. Nobody promised fans could ever get in. They chose to start the season on the fantasy of limited fans across the country in October and unrestricted crowds in January after a magic wand was waved. That was quite obviously never going to happen and I said as much on here at the time. That’s entirely on the football authorities, not the government.

If they didn't start the season they'd be the only country in Europe which didn't and they would have breached a TV deal worth over £150m in addition to other commercial deals.

When the season started, the Scottish government's own roadmap specifically said they would allow supporters into matches in October, and that was actually initially brought forward to September before they changed their mind. So it's hardly unrealistic to make plans on that basis.

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9 minutes ago, Paco said:

 


https://spfl.co.uk/news/spfl-press-release-47171

It’s here. To be honest I have very little sympathy with their position, even as a fan desperate to get back to games.

Nobody made them start the season. Nobody promised fans could ever get in. They chose to start the season on the fantasy of limited fans across the country in October and unrestricted crowds in January after a magic wand was waved. That was quite obviously never going to happen and I said as much on here at the time. That’s entirely on the football authorities, not the government.

‘Now is the time to get fans back’ is a line from that letter. Now being the time where two million people in the country can’t leave their house without a valid reason and every single business that isn’t essential is shut, or takeaway only.

They’re living on another planet. Asking for more fans in Tier 1 areas, or maybe even a few hundred in Tier 2... fair enough. A blanket ‘get fans back’? Absolutely idiotic.

 

That is batshit mental. Nothing on how many fans dependant on number of entrances/ capacity. Like you say blanket statements are just stupid and so easily ignored if they had carried out a detailed assessment of all 42 league clubs then there could be a discussion. I actually think Celtic and Rangers should be the very last to go back because they bring fans from right across the country and even other countries and for me the risk is far to great.

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11 minutes ago, mizfit said:

Tier 0/1 - up to 2000 fans
Tier 2 - up to 1000 fans
Tier 3 - up to 500
Tier 4 - No fans

However make it clear that this is subject to stadium size etc.

I don’t see it happening though.

 

 

% of capacity should be common across the board. Ridiculous that, if both were in Level 1, the same 2,000 allowed into NDP would be all that was allowed into Celtic Park.

Plucking numbers out of the air with absolutely no reasoning is nonsense.

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6 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

% of capacity should be common across the board. Ridiculous that, if both were in Level 1, the same 2,000 allowed into NDP would be all that was allowed into Celtic Park.

Plucking numbers out of the air with absolutely no reasoning is nonsense.

Problem with blanket % of capacity is Brechin has a reasonable capacity but only 2 sets of turnstiles so that's a huge bottleneck.

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3 minutes ago, 101 said:

Problem with blanket % of capacity is Brechin has a reasonable capacity but only 2 sets of turnstiles so that's a huge bottleneck.

That's a fair point. But, at the same time, not every other club should be bound to the limitations of Glebe Park. And, as it's outdoors, queues can be managed similar to those outside of supermarkets etc.

There has to be a better way than just picking arbitrary numbers out of the air that the powers that be think might be small enough for the SG to agree to.

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