welshbairn Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, beardy said: The fluvax is generally administered prior to the onset of flu season where the disease burden in society is low. The covid vaccination program will be undertaken likely in the throes of a pandemic (all you casedemic nutters at the back sit down please). This poses a problem of a large number of people who may be actively infectious presenting for the vaccine. The logistics for this will have to be managed. It will definitely be different to flu vaccination program. Apologies if already covered. They've been carrying out the flu vaccination programme in the middle of a Covid pandemic, why should the Covid programme be anymore problematic? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, beardy said: The fluvax is generally administered prior to the onset of flu season where the disease burden in society is low. The covid vaccination program will be undertaken likely in the throes of a pandemic (all you casedemic nutters at the back sit down please). This poses a problem of a large number of people who may be actively infectious presenting for the vaccine. The logistics for this will have to be managed. It will definitely be different to flu vaccination program. Apologies if already covered. What about a fluvac in the middle of a covid pandemic? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, John MacLean said: Measuring the performances of one nation’s government with another’s is incredibly difficult and can’t be based purely on mortality and infection rates. That's fair. What you can do, though, is evaluate each government individually against a few key metrics. Did they interpret and use the available data correctly? Were the measures implemented proportionate and consistent? Were the measures effective? Were measures relaxed or tightened appropriately? If the data changed, did they update their approach accordingly? Did they make promises they didn't keep, or did they avoid making emotive statements they could not possibly have known would be true or not? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Gordon EF said: What about a fluvac in the middle of a covid pandemic? If they are utilising wide open spaces like sports centres, then that is an example of managing the logistics tbf. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just now, Todd_is_God said: If they are utilising wide open spaces like sports centres, then that is an example of managing the logistics tbf. Well the important point was that they would have to be different, not that logistics would have to be managed, which is obvious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 It is not the job of a government to pick the most popular policy and run with it but rather the best one: most of all in a public health emergency, emergency that they're more than happy to trash the economy to deal with. People keep whinging about hindsight, borders and full fiscal control but the key decisions that allowed a second wave to break out were within the SG's remit as much as they were Westminster's. Nobody put a gun to their head and told them to abandon the blended learning strategy that they told education authorities to develop all summer nor were they compelled to let universities bring students into dorms. Colleges meanwhile have not actually returned to widespread face to face learning, which demonstrates the point because they didn't have a substantial lobby group that the SG decided to cave in to for electoral reasons.No apparently the unassailable SNP had to bow to the pressure of that heavyweight titan of Scottish politics Jack McConnell. Increasingly feel like politicians should wear bodycams all the time like the polis.You know how there’s grossly underpaid Facebook moderators that have to watch gore videos all day? I’d take that every day over having to watch the shuffling slime monsters that make up the modern Conservative Party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, welshbairn said: A million vaccines amounts to 17 vaccinations for every nurse in Scotland. If they can get the distribution sorted it shouldn't take too long to get the first phase done. How many nurses can be assigned to focus solely on covid vaccines for weeks on end before the rest of the care system breaks down? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: How many nurses can be assigned to focus solely on covid vaccines for weeks on end before the rest of the care system breaks down? Administering 17 vaccines is unlikely to take weeks on end. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: How many nurses can be assigned to focus solely on covid vaccines for weeks on end before the rest of the care system breaks down? It doesn't take weeks on end to deliver 17 vaccines, and obviously the nurses doing it will be capable of doing far more, so they won't all be needed. Our local surgery closed down for all patients for 2 days in different weeks to complete it's flu quota. They close down every weekend anyway so it's not that big a deal. Edited November 24, 2020 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: It doesn't take weeks on end to deliver 17 vaccines, and obviously the nurses doing it will be capable of doing far more, so they won't all be needed. 2 minutes ago, Gordon EF said: Administering 17 vaccines is unlikely to take weeks on end. The idea that every nurse is just going to find a wee space, dish out their 17 vaccines, and we're all good is tremendous patter. Who knew it would be so simple to organise 1 million vaccinations -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, welshbairn said: A million vaccines amounts to 17 vaccinations for every nurse in Scotland. If they can get the distribution sorted it shouldn't take too long to get the first phase done. How will the nurses fit in their tea breaks? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: The idea that every nurse is just going to find a wee space, dish out their 17 vaccines, and we're all good is tremendous patter. Who knew it would be so simple to organise 1 million vaccinations Are you stupid enough to think that's what anyone is suggesting or just contrarian enough to argue any point? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 I’m galaxy brain 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 minute ago, sparky88 said: How will the nurses fit in their tea breaks? A lot of Roses and Quality Street will be getting handed in this time of year. More than usual probably. They'll need to take a wall off Monklands to change shifts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: The idea that every nurse is just going to find a wee space, dish out their 17 vaccines, and we're all good is tremendous patter. Who knew it would be so simple to organise 1 million vaccinations We manage 2.4 million flu vaccinations. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, welshbairn said: It doesn't take weeks on end to deliver 17 vaccines, and obviously the nurses doing it will be capable of doing far more, so they won't all be needed. Our local surgery closed down for all patients for 2 days in different weeks to complete it's flu quota. They close down every weekend anyway so it's not that big a deal. Over what timeframe do you realistically expect 1m covid vaccines to be administered. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: We manage 2.4 million flu vaccinations. Yes. Over a period of 4 months. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: Over what timeframe do you realistically expect 1m covid vaccines to be administered. 6 weeks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 We manage 2.4 million flu vaccinations.Not sure who “we” are in this. Not Scotland though surely. That would be 44% of the Scottish population. That can’t be correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardy Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 31 minutes ago, welshbairn said: They've been carrying out the flu vaccination programme in the middle of a Covid pandemic, why should the Covid programme be anymore problematic? 31 minutes ago, Gordon EF said: What about a fluvac in the middle of a covid pandemic? Good points, in Australia we had a normal flu vaccination program however it was on june/July and the burden of disease in the country was/Is minimal. I guess in the UK, they've assessed the risk and deemed.it low. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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