Ivo den Bieman Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: And yet both have better figures than Scotland. Maybe you should do your research. Of course, absolutely, Belarus has done so much better and Lukashenko has nothing to hide. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Just now, Markka said: Repeating myself - I'm not convinced any of the others would have done any better dealing with Covid. If there was an alternative independence supporting party that I did think would have done better, they would probably have my vote.I reckon it will be a few years before we know whose approach was better. So you accept that the SNP did perform poorly, but because of the carrot of independence, you are satisfied that "awch its ok because everyone else would probably have been just as bad." I'm not trying to change your mind, i'm just pointing out that it is that attitude multiplied that facilitates a bomb proof SNP government 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Just now, Todd_is_God said: So you accept that the SNP did perform poorly, but because of the carrot of independence, you are satisfied that "awch its ok because everyone else would probably have been just as bad." I'm not trying to change your mind, i'm just pointing out that it is that attitude multiplied that facilitates a bomb proof SNP government ^^^^ going to leave the country when we get independence. Hopefully. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I had a flu vaccine 2 weeks ago. The only difference from last year was that we were all wearing masks, and social distancing is strictly regulated. I doubt there is much risk of the vaccine bursting into the air while being injected. What on earth are you slabbering about? Neither the flu or covid vaccines are live vaccines. The whole point of the additional hygiene procedures is because of the belief that asymptomatic people are shedding the covid virus, and facilitating the spread. That still applies in a room where vaccinations take place. Edited November 23, 2020 by Todd_is_God -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: What on earth are you slabbering about? I was too polite to say the same. Why would a Covid vaccination programme bring any more safety concerns than the current flu vaccine programme? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Just now, welshbairn said: I was too polite to say the same. Why would a Covid vaccination programme bring any more safety concerns than the current flu vaccine programme? I'm not going to re-type my previous post -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markka Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 So you accept that the SNP did perform poorly, but because of the carrot of independence, you are satisfied that "awch its ok because everyone else would probably have been just as bad." I'm not trying to change your mind, i'm just pointing out that it is that attitude multiplied that facilitates a bomb proof SNP governmentTo an extent, yes. However, such goodwill wouldn't last forever of course, and like others have said, if we get independence then the SNP could rely a lot less on my vote.I maintain that, despite the SNP's shortcomings, there is no point in voting for an alternative if you believe that alternative to be worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: So you accept that the SNP did perform poorly, but because of the carrot of independence, you are satisfied that "awch its ok because everyone else would probably have been just as bad." I'm not trying to change your mind, i'm just pointing out that it is that attitude multiplied that facilitates a bomb proof SNP government We don't need to speculate, we KNOW everyone else has been "just as bad" (actually worse), due to England being run by the Tories and Wales being run by Labour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Just now, Markka said: To an extent, yes. However, such goodwill wouldn't last forever of course, and like others have said, if we get independence then the SNP could rely a lot less on my vote. I maintain that, despite the SNP's shortcomings, there is no point in voting for an alternative if you believe that alternative to be worse. You say that, but no one with this mindset ever seems to offer any indication of how long they are prepared to wait, before turning their attention to performance. We're 13½ years into the SNP being the largest party in Scotland, and, by 2026 this will be 19. How long do you allow a party a free ride to deliver their main headline policy? -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: I'm not going to re-type my previous post Good choice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markka Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 You say that, but no one with this mindset ever seems to offer any indication of how long they are prepared to wait, before turning their attention to performance. We're 13½ years into the SNP being the largest party in Scotland, and, by 2026 this will be 19. How long do you allow a party a free ride to deliver their main headline policy?My criticism of the SNP relates to the Covid response, which is about a year old, not 13 years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Good choice. Are you going to address it? Or has it clicked? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 My criticism of the SNP relates to the Covid response, which is less than a year old, not 13 years.Genuine question - given the proportionate death rate and number of cases is lower in Scotland than elsewhere in GB (according to ONS data), does that not indicate the approach in Scotland had been more successful? Deaths per 100,000 in Scotland are 64.1. In England it is 86. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markka Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Genuine question - given the proportionate death rate and number of cases is lower in Scotland than elsewhere in GB (according to ONS data), does that not indicate the approach in Scotland had been more successful? Deaths per 100,000 in Scotland are 64.1. In England it is 86. Successful in comparison to England? Probably. And given that Scotgov are hampered to an extent by Westminster, I'll give them some partial credit.Successful compared to some other countries in the world? No, not at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Are you going to address it? Or has it clicked? No. Explain to me why it's more hazardous to administer a Covid19 vaccine than a flu vaccine at this time. There may be a technical factor I'm unaware of, but as we don't know which vaccines will be approved yet, I doubt it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Successful in comparison to England? Probably. And given that Scotgov are hampered to an extent by Westminster, I'll give them some partial credit.Successful compared to some other countries in the world? No, not at all.Better than Italy, Spain, France, Belgium (in Europe). And other countries weren’t dealing with it with one arm tied behind their backs. As an example, many European countries closed their borders - we couldn’t. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Not sure if serious but: Free University Free personal care for elderly Free bus passes for elderly Free prescriptions Baby box Free dentistry for new mothers and infants 600 hours free nursery Axing Forth Bridge tolls Yeah, but apart from that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markka Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Better than Italy, Spain, France, Belgium (in Europe). And other countries weren’t dealing with it with one arm tied behind their backs. As an example, many European countries closed their borders - we couldn’t. I know that. Regardless whether we may have done better than the examples you stated, we still could have done a lot better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian1 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: No. Explain to me why it's more hazardous to administer a Covid19 vaccine than a flu vaccine at this time. There may be a technical factor I'm unaware of, but as we don't know which vaccines will be approved yet, I doubt it. I don't know why you bother engaging - he will give your response a great deal of thought then come back with some contrarian view.....any contrarian view.....as long as it is contrarian. This pandemic has been great for Todd is God.....a daily open goal for fowk who like nothing better than a good moan. Seriously, has there ever been a time that he has been content with life? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: Not sure if serious but: Free University Free personal care for elderly Free bus passes for elderly Free prescriptions Baby box Free dentistry for new mothers and infants 600 hours free nursery Axing Forth Bridge tolls Removing the poorest paid workers from income tax and raising the higher and top rate tax bands. Of course the SNP aren't actually a socialist party because the people of Scotland don't want socialism. It's a badge people in Scotland like to wear. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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