LongTimeLurker Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, madwullie said: How come the other two vaccines need two doses and were reported as such while this one has 70% with one and ~90% with two. What's the difference in why they didn't just report this one as two doses for 90%? Genuine question, I don't really understand. They probably are still waiting to have enough COVID cases in their Phase 3 test group to be able to make the 90% efficacy claim in a manner that is statistically valid. Releasing the data with the lower number will probably be about proceeding with emergency approval ASAP in line with Pfizer and Moderna even before they get the dosing regime sorted out that makes it even more effective. Overall this is very good news. Edited November 23, 2020 by LongTimeLurker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Replies to this are fun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted November 23, 2020 Author Share Posted November 23, 2020 I've never heard of that MP but what a brilliant name. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: Replies to this are fun. They really do set themselves up for flack. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true_rover Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 How come the other two vaccines need two doses and were reported as such while this one has 70% with one and ~90% with two. What's the difference in why they didn't just report this one as two doses for 90%? Genuine question, I don't really understand. I think the 70% is still requiring two doses - it's the difference in the level of dose in each case. I expect that the headline 70% figure is that this the level that they have the full data available rather than for the varying doses.As a point of comparison, it's worth noting that a good annual flu vaccine is around 50% effective - 70% is still very good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Setsniffer Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 31 minutes ago, madwullie said: How come the other two vaccines need two doses and were reported as such while this one has 70% with one and ~90% with two. What's the difference in why they didn't just report this one as two doses for 90%? Genuine question, I don't really understand. 70% sounds like herd immunity, and with that i'll not bother with the 2nd booster, could be a money saver 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 That's the bairn away back to school after her two weeks iso. Bliss. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, super_carson said: Well, headlines may focus on the fact it's only 70% effective in comparison to Pfizer and Moderna but it's meant to be far easier to transport so that may mean that it's a lot easier to get out into the population on a larger scale. 70% in the immediate term certainly shouldn't be sniffed at, and if they can tweak the way it's administered to provide 90% then even better. Something like 4 million doses are ready and awaiting approval from regulators - you'd think that may be an expedited process given the situation we find ourselves in. Am I right in thinking that this is the one that is manufactured in Livingston? If it is build the wall and keep the lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) 70% efficacy is a massive, massive win in any circumstances... given the conditions it can be shipped in it's a total game changer as it puts to bed, the lingering question of how you'd roll out a mass vaccine project to some of the poorest and hottest climates on earth and keep the vaccine effective. On a worldwide scale, 70% efficacy of a drug that is much easier to transport and store than a 95% effective drug that needs to be kept in exceptional conditions means that the Oxford/Astra one might be the standard bearer in the first generation of these vaccines in the developing world. Edited November 23, 2020 by djchapsticks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 2 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: ^^^consistently parrots and/or defends whatever he hears said by officialdom on the state broadcaster. The guys thought Jason's struggling to get the message across and needs a wing man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 How come the other two vaccines need two doses and were reported as such while this one has 70% with one and ~90% with two. What's the difference in why they didn't just report this one as two doses for 90%? Genuine question, I don't really understand. I think its good they are understating it. Seems honest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Thickos in the City dropping AstraZeneca's share price after seeing the headline figure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Get the more effective one into the high risk folks and care home staff/nhs workers and gies the rest of us the 90% efficacy dose of the oxford one and lets get back to normal. 10 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: 70% efficacy is a massive, massive win in any circumstances... given the conditions it can be shipped in it's a total game changer as it puts to bed, the lingering question of how you'd roll out a mass vaccine project to some of the poorest and hottest climates on earth and keep the vaccine effective. On a worldwide scale, 70% efficacy of a drug that is much easier to transport and store than a 95% effective drug that needs to be kept in exceptional conditions means that the Oxford/Astra one might be the standard bearer in the first generation of these vaccines in the developing world. Speak for yourselves, I want the good one and I want it before some old granny that never goes out anyway. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Thickos in the City dropping AstraZeneca's share price after seeing the headline figure. It was very widely reported that the vaccine was being sold at cost, so hardly going impact the bottom line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Speak for yourselves, I want the good one and I want it before some old granny that never goes out anyway. I go out! -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I go out! You got out, that doesn't count. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted November 23, 2020 Author Share Posted November 23, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/26/how-baseless-fears-over-5g-rollout-created-a-health-scare That MP requeasted a debate about the dangers of 5G. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Looking at the 4 nation approach to Christmas, I can see what’s trying to be achieved and sympathise with it. People are going to visit family anyway and providing a framework through bubbles might be the best hope of encouraging an element of control. As always it will rely on people respecting the rules and those who won’t will be those who were never going to pay any attention anyway. Probably the least worst option available to the SG. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 35 minutes ago, ICTChris said: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/26/how-baseless-fears-over-5g-rollout-created-a-health-scare That MP requeasted a debate about the dangers of 5G. What a complete fuckwhit. We have gone too far, I blame the BBC presenting someone of every view when they cover a topic, we are genuinely 6 months away from the BBC having to have people on TV who don't believe the in the Holocaust as part of their quest for equality of views 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: Looking at the 4 nation approach to Christmas, I can see what’s trying to be achieved and sympathise with it. People are going to visit family anyway and providing a framework through bubbles might be the best hope of encouraging an element of control. As always it will rely on people respecting the rules and those who won’t will be those who were never going to pay any attention anyway. Probably the least worst option available to the SG. Aye. Politicians can't or won't come out and say it but a lot of the problems are coming from folk just being c***s. They'll never stop that. This is about the best they can do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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