Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Wee Willie]

14 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Thats a depressing as f**k forum mate. 

One post and you can decide that

8 hours ago, Distant Doonhamer said:

Four positive cases in my family. 

Two with mild disease- both young and fully recovered.

Brother-in-law. Mid 40s super fit. Seriously unwell with it.  Fully recovered now but had the disease in March and easily 4-5 months until full recovery.

Wife's uncle. Mid 70s, diabetes and a bit overweight.  Dead.

 

Fcuk me!

[ICTChris]

If England goes into a national lockdown then there won’t be any need to close borders or anything like that because English people shouldn’t be travelling anyway.

 

The fact that so much of the communication in this crisis has been done via briefings to political journalists or leaks is a disgrace and speaks a lot to uselessness of our political leaders. The SG have been bad for it (the leaked photos of the circuit breaker) but the U.K. Government clearly treat this like it’s an election for the 1922committee and they need to get in first to the Mails lobby correspondent. Pathetic.

 

[Bairnardo]

Several people have spoke about the U-turn nature of this potential lockdown from Johnson but tbh the thing that I find most bizarre is that even in a public health crisis they are still announcing things via briefings to newspaper journalists at 10pm on a Friday night.
It is as if these Tory freaks have no frame of reference for how to deal with anything beyond the usual model that they use for Westminster gossip or Brexit stuff or whatever - brief off the record to sympathetic print journalists leaving enough wiggle room for deniability if they change their minds at a later date. Say what you like about the FM but the decision to continue with the daily briefings was clearly the right one. 

Yeah, having everyone living under totally unprecedented restrictions doesnt really seem like the time to go away and hide. The people making these decisions should absolutely be answering for them on a daily basis.

Boris is a shitebag of the very highest standing. Hes just a wee bit cleverer or better advised than clowns like Hancock who dont have the sense to keep hidden their utter disdain for the people they "represent"

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9 hours ago, Todd_is_God said:

I think it is an incredibly desperate reach to suggest the picture in Scotland would be drastically different, however I will conceed that there is nothing to demonstrate this either way.

It's difficult to determine how many children were absent due to the nature of the scales there, but given that is from a single day, and every 1 child absent, if they were infectious, would likely spread it to their family, who'd then take it to work etc i'm not sure that is quite the slam dunk you think it is.

Except the vast majority of people are still working from home and social distancing so the chances of them reinfecting, if they follow the rules, is low.

9 hours ago, alta-pete said:

I appreciate PnB is a very small slice of a rather specialist demographic, but: could we please have a show of hands for those you know:

1. immediate householders who have Covid. 
2. those who have connections to, but self sufficent, family members with/suspected  Covid;.

3. Work colleagues self isolating with suspected Covid. 

4.  Known self isolations because of Covid. 
5. Any other known hospitalisations as a result or Covid? 

it’s definitely real but I’d be surprised if, in our little corner of the world,  we’ve got more than two dozen or so individuals  directly, seriously and significantly affected.

Prove me wrong?

(that does of course never deny individual hospitalisations or deaths as trivial. What I am trying to do to is get some sort of a measure of real experience vs what is being fed through the media). 

1. 0

2. 1

3. 2

4. 6

5. 1 - Dead sadly.

[ICTChris]

Also, regarding travel to England, there was a report this week that 80% of the Covid cases in Scotland in September were of a variant that developed in Spain during the summer, a higher percentage than in England, where about 50% of cases are of that strain.

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13 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

If England goes into a national lockdown then there won’t be any need to close borders or anything like that because English people shouldn’t be travelling anyway.

 

The fact that so much of the communication in this crisis has been done via briefings to political journalists or leaks is a disgrace and speaks a lot to uselessness of our political leaders. The SG have been bad for it (the leaked photos of the circuit breaker) but the U.K. Government clearly treat this like it’s an election for the 1922committee and they need to get in first to the Mails lobby correspondent. Pathetic.

 

It's almost as if the UK government is run by a telegraph hack. Constantly feeding them stories

[ICTChris]

Our former neighbours daughter in law had Covid and was in intensive care on a ventilator for several weeks. She had kidney failure, needed dialysis but survived.

A senior manager in my work was also on a ventilator for several weeks back in the spring.

[AyrExile]

 If England go full lockdown will our new Scotland strategy be harshly revised after a few days or will Sturgeon be happy to run with us having more lenient restrictions.  Previous  history suggests this would cause her a few challenges ripping up a two day old plan 

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2 minutes ago, AyrExile said:

 If England go full lockdown will our new Scotland strategy be harshly revised after a few days or will Sturgeon be happy to run with us having more lenient restrictions.  Previous  history suggests this would cause her a few challenges ripping up a two day old plan 

Probably depends how much more money England chuck at their businesses, if it's a lot and there are Barnet consequentials then either expect a lockdown or a few areas to go to tier 0 as there will be no visitors from places of higher infection

[vikingTON]

44 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

12 hours ago, Todd_is_God said:

 

If polls are to be believed, we would be full lockdown using your reasoning as every study / poll I've seen puts support for that at 65% and upwards. You do realise your stance on this is a pretty extreme one popularity wise no matter how many posts you try to pump out pushing it?

I've already explained why polling support for a theoretical 'save Christmas!!!!11111!!!!' lockdown now isn't the same as reliable support for that decision when it is actually closing businesses and costing people their jobs without necessarily having the promised benefits.

The SNP have generally had the political sense to not jump into elephant traps like this which is why they've been in power since 2007. Being a populist party - which they are - is not the same as making decisions based on the most recent poll or focus group verdict.

3 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

Also, regarding travel to England, there was a report this week that 80% of the Covid cases in Scotland in September were of a variant that developed in Spain during the summer, a higher percentage than in England, where about 50% of cases are of that strain.

Not the first time than Benidorm has been responsible for a contagious disease outbreak IMO.

[LongTimeLurker]

Think I may have had it in February as I had most of the symptoms that get described with a persistent cough for 3 weeks or so but no runny nose at any point. Glad it was early enough on that I assumed it was the flu or an unusually bad cold at the time as it would have been very nerve wracking otherwise. Know someone through work whose father died despite being relatively young in COVID-19 terms, and another who went into self-isolation with only very mild symptoms after testing positive.

[Detournement]

18 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

Also, regarding travel to England, there was a report this week that 80% of the Covid cases in Scotland in September were of a variant that developed in Spain during the summer, a higher percentage than in England, where about 50% of cases are of that strain.

Holidays abroad were a terrible idea and have probably had a far bigger impact than schools.

[MP_MFC]

Several people have spoke about the U-turn nature of this potential lockdown from Johnson but tbh the thing that I find most bizarre is that even in a public health crisis they are still announcing things via briefings to newspaper journalists at 10pm on a Friday night.

Gotta make sure we get one last weekend in the pubs... Again.

Any racing at Cheltenham!

[Jacksgranda]

11 hours ago, Tynierose said:

Let's just stay indoors forever then.  

But leave our windows and doors open...

[Aubrey Maturin]

Just now, Jacksgranda said:

But leave our windows and doors open...

With the stereo on full blast mind.

[Jacksgranda]

9 hours ago, Ralstonite said:

I know I'll get shot down in flames for this, but does anyone else question the official narrative? I know only three people who have tested positive for Covid, and they're obviously the ones who've experienced symptoms. Most people I speak to say the same.

I'm sorry if this has already been asked, but I haven't bothered with this thread much and it's currently 3,030 pages long.

I've known more people who have tested positive for/died from Covid-19 in the last month, than the previous 7.

[peasy23]

I've known more people who have tested positive for/died from Covid-19 in the last month, than the previous 7.

Same for me. Only knew 1 person who was confirmed as positive first time around.

Knew 2 folk who have died in the last few weeks with Covid. 1 of those had health problems, the other had dementia but was still physically fit and active.

One of those was my mate's mother in law, my mate and his wife and her parents had all gone to Blackpool for a weekend away, and all 4 had developed symptoms and gone on to test positive within a few days of coming home.

My workmate is currently isolating after his daughter tested positive.

[Jacksgranda]

1 hour ago, Tynierose said:

All good, got a lovely new table delivered yesterday and I'm going to football this afternoon weather permitting.

I hope your weather is better than ours - probably could be as you're at the opposite side of the country - otherwise you'll just have to polish your new table.

[LongTimeLurker]

11 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

I've known more people who have tested positive for/died from Covid-19 in the last month, than the previous 7.

The city we are no longer supposed to call Londonderry and Strabane seem to have had an epidemic peak that looks more like what happened from March-May elsewhere in the UK:

so there probably are areas that are only really getting it in a big way now for the first time

[sparky88]

1 hour ago, mizfit said:

Prediction - we won’t go into full lockdown, however it’s likely they may upgrade Lanarkshire and Glasgow to 4 if it doesn’t drop drastically this week.

Unlike England, we have got fairly substantial populations on remote islands that have not been affected too much by COViD, apart from Shetland early on.  I'm not sure a Scotland wide lockdown is appropriate in the same way as it would be for England.

It might also explain why Sturgeon has pressed ahead with local lockdowns even as governments around Europe have locking down.