101 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, jimbaxters said: Quick question for you fellas. Why is it that Italy, who got out on the UK quarantine list last week, give compulsory tests on entry to UK visitors but when they return home they have to be isolate for 14 days? The result of the tests are emailed within a day meaning negative results don't need to isolate beyond that. Oh and it's free. Why can't the UK do the same? Probably because you could catch it on the flight before it would show up in a test. As for the reason we aren't testing at the border its because that is the UK Governments prerogative and they are too busy shoving the contacts to their palls who are, surprise surprise, doing a bad job. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 8 hours ago, badgerthewitness said: Czech football & hockey ultras are currently gathering in Prague's Old Town Square, presumably so they can pass the virus around and keep the sports locked down. You'd think after the shame of being beaten by Scotland they'd go into a month's lockdown to get rid of the virus 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: *Reads back what you actually wrote about it* Mm. Not the first post, that was just assumption and prejudice. But as I said in the second 99% of 200 subjects who had Covid reporting 4 symptoms tells you nothing 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 The biggest giveaway is the study is 70% female. Which means they could only find 60 men claiming to have Long Covid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 17 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: I see. Can you think of any reason why they would choose to make it 70/30? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 18, 2020 Author Share Posted October 18, 2020 Psychiatric patients at a higher risk of dying from Covid.https://www.jwatch.org/na52576/2020/10/05/psychiatric-illness-linked-increased-risk-death-with-covid 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottmcleanscontacts Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Good. They get better uniforms.It's quite difficult to beat the Nazi look. I think we'll go for Jason masks this time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 19, 2020 Author Share Posted October 19, 2020 Covid on campus - Scottish universities operated halls at100% capacity and changes advice on attending at the last minute.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-54575788?__twitter_impression=true 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: ...Are we seriously suggesting that they ( New Zealand) got it wrong? Too early to tell on whether Sweden or New Zealand will come out of this looking like the country that achieved something on public health policy that others didn't. New Zealand need access to a vaccine pronto so they can achieve herd immunity and exit their lockdown policies or it could easily all still turn out to have been a collosal and futile waste of time and squandering of economic resources over something that now appears to be in the same ballpark on IFR as an unusually bad flu season (and definitely nothing like as bad as H1N1 influenza in 1918). Edited October 19, 2020 by LongTimeLurker -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 54 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Too early to tell on whether Sweden or New Zealand will come out of this looking like the country that achieved something on public health policy that others didn't. New Zealand need access to a vaccine pronto so they can achieve herd immunity and exit their lockdown policies or it could easily all still turn out to have been a collosal and futile waste of time and squandering of economic resources over something that now appears to be in the same ballpark on IFR as an unusually bad flu season (and definitely nothing like as bad as H1N1 influenza in 1918). In which of the unusually bad flu seasons did we have 45,000 deaths. In the summer. Where we had to implement a strict lockdown to stop ICU units being overwhelmed? What's your evidence for IFR of COVID being in the same ballpark as flu given most reports now seem to be coalescing between 10-20 times higher. Even the IFR was the same the R number for COVID is much higher than seasonal flu. By all means criticise govt policy in handling the outbreak but anyone questioning the seriousness of the disease is a gold plated moron. 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 hour ago, invergowrie arab said: In which of the unusually bad flu seasons did we have 45,000 deaths.... I literally named an influenza virus strain and the year it emerged as a flu season that was much worse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 The "second wave" definitely appears to be slowing now: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chairman Mao said: The Scot Gov are fiddling the case count % in Scotland Their daily update always includes a top statement along the lines that “1,167 new cases of COVID-19 reported; this is 17.6%* of newly tested individuals” (numbers for October 18th). Scary indeed, given the percentage of positive tests in the UK as a whole is currently between 5 to 7%. However, the asterisk leads to an explanation of how this is calculated. In short, they have counted the positive tests out of 15,089 performed (this figure is given further down the page), and then divided it by a totally unrelated number – the number of people who have never been tested before (calculating back, around 6,630 people). The actual percentage of positive tests is 7.7%; still high, but much less alarming. Keeping the fear going.... So they're fiddling the figures by giving an explanation of how they've come to those figures? Maybe I'm just being dense, but that seems to be what you're saying. Edit: one sign of someone losing it is an over-reliance on elipsis rather than evidence to manufacture doubt. Edited October 19, 2020 by madwullie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 13 hours ago, jimbaxters said: Quick question for you fellas. Why is it that Italy, who got out on the UK quarantine list last week, give compulsory tests on entry to UK visitors but when they return home they have to be isolate for 14 days? The result of the tests are emailed within a day meaning negative results don't need to isolate beyond that. Oh and it's free. Why can't the UK do the same? Because our government are a bunch of cockwombles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szamo's_Ammo Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) Italy joining the second wave... Quote The moves came as Italy recorded its highest daily infection rate for the second day in a row. Another 11,705 new cases were announced on Sunday, beating the previous record, which came a day earlier on Saturday, of 10,925. Quote What are the other Italian measures? Changes in schooling mainly affect older pupils in high schools. Starting times will be later and more distance-learning will be encouraged Bars and restaurants to close at midnight, but after 18:00 only table service will be allowed. The maximum in a group will be six Local conferences and festivals are suspended Amateur contact sports must stop Gyms and swimming pools will have to adapt to new protocols within seven days Something seems to have changed in the middle of September, just before cases began to surge towards record levels. Edited October 19, 2020 by Szamo's_Ammo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Szamo's_Ammo said: Italy joining the second wave... Something seems to have changed in the middle of September, just before cases began to surge towards record levels. Peak tourist season IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/schools-scotland-could-close-again-22868646.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true EIS warns Schools in Scotland may need to close to contain the spread of the virus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szamo's_Ammo Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Just now, Michael W said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/schools-scotland-could-close-again-22868646.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true EIS warns Schools in Scotland may need to close to contain the spread of the virus. The Virus doesn't spread in Scottish schools. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Szamo's_Ammo said: The Virus doesn't spread in Scottish schools. Very true. Sad to see the EIS ignoring "The Science". Union just wanting a few days off for their members, clearly 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chairman Mao said: Critical for the government to get as many restrictions up and running now so that they can claim that any downturn is as a result of those restrictions. They cannot afford for people to start realising that lockdowns were all for nothing..... ...or slowly ramp up partial measures on hospitality and social interactions while not closing the workplaces and schools as would be necessary to follow a New Zealand style eradication and then ban international travel strategy (helps if you are surrounded by an ocean and can feed yourself), then waiting for the peak to unfold making it appear that they were in control all along while at best they were only slowing it down a bit. Herd immunity by stealth is how that strategy is often described elsewhere. Edited October 19, 2020 by LongTimeLurker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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