Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Arch Stanton]

2 hours ago, Jacksgranda said:

Surely you can never have too many pubs...

Coleraine would be a case in point, the town is nearly double the size it was when I came over here in 1973, and off the top of my head there are at least 10 pubs/hotels that are no more, and there has only been 1 replacement.

When I was a student in the 80s me and a couple of mates drew up a list of all the pubs in Paisley with the intent of drinking in all those we hadn't been in. At that time there were over 70 pubs and about half a dozen nightclubs.

At the start of this year it was down to about 40 pubs and one club and when lockdown was lifted in July there were a handful of pubs which didn't reopen (although one was the smelly Sellick pub so no loss there).

[madwullie]

3 minutes ago, virginton said:

Says the person furiously looking back through a thread on the Internet to check how many red circles his dung posts have received.

You hate to see it happen.

Didn't read lol

[Michael W]

14 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said:

My point is a few dozen people heading off for a day to trip to Helnsburgh is a drop in the ocean compared to the people not mixing in Glasgow. Unless about 20 000 people turned up it's a non story.

Ah, fair enough, missed the point there. 

Just becoming more than a bit irked by increasingly po-faced attitudes to anyone who dares to go out and enjoy themselves. 

[Jacksgranda]

9 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

When I was a student in the 80s me and a couple of mates drew up a list of all the pubs in Paisley with the intent of drinking in all those we hadn't been in. At that time there were over 70 pubs and about half a dozen nightclubs.

At the start of this year it was down to about 40 pubs and one club and when lockdown was lifted in July there were a handful of pubs which didn't reopen (although one was the smelly Sellick pub so no loss there).

That's about 40% gone, roughly equivalent to the Coleraine rate of attrition, although over a shorter timespan, maybe?

[Detournement]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/oct/11/hospital-bosses-urge-nhs-england-to-drop-unfair-fines-as-covid-admissions-rise

According to this there are 111,000 people in England who have been waiting over a year to begin NHS hospital treatment. 

[Sergeant Wilson]

1 hour ago, SoapMactavish said:

This is the problem. This here. So the “wEe NipPy sToLe oUr PiNtS” patter can away and shite.
 

I’m all for vT’s trademarked ‘Baton to the face’ .

 

(I know the Record is a rag) 

Wit ur we like by ra way, only in Sco'land bu'!

[parsforlife]

16 minutes ago, Michael W said:

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-additional-measures-october-2020/

They're advised to think about whether it's necessary and that's it. It's not a ban. 

Given that people are undoubtedly irritated about the restrictions as well as being fed up, that's a cop out. Still, at least they can blame the public when it goes wrong again. 

If they are ignoring advice then they can’t be described as being compliant.  Yes it’s not illegal and you can disagree with the advice but the issue is compliance.

[Le Tout P'ti FC]

That's about 40% gone, roughly equivalent to the Coleraine rate of attrition, although over a shorter timespan, maybe?

I make it 10/28 pub casualties in Dalkeith since the mid-90s. I'd have to sit down with a map to be exact, no doubt I've forgotten somewhere.

I've heard another one is in abeyance since lockdown, unsure if it will ever return. That would take you almost exactly to a 40% casualty rate too. Uncanny!

Postscript - no doubt some aggrieved Dalkeith local will be on to audit my numbers. My list of the lost: Smiths (sob!), Wheatsheaf, County, Lothian, Scandals, Mealmarket, place at Old DHS whose name escapes me, Derry, Railway Club, Lugton. Not even counting the Barley Bree or Fordell which are both just outside town.

[Jacksgranda]

11 minutes ago, Le Tout P'ti FC said:

I make it 10/28 pub casualties in Dalkeith since the mid-90s. I'd have to sit down with a map to be exact, no doubt I've forgotten somewhere.

I've heard another one is in abeyance since lockdown, unsure if it will ever return. That would take you almost exactly to a 40% casualty rate too. Uncanny!

Postscript - no doubt some aggrieved Dalkeith local will be on to audit my numbers. My list of the lost: Smiths (sob!), Wheatsheaf, County, Lothian, Scandals, Mealmarket, place at Old DHS whose name escapes me, Derry, Railway Club, Lugton. Not even counting the Barley Bree or Fordell which are both just outside town.

I didn't include the Salmon Leap in Castleroe, about 2 miles from Coleraine.

[Guest]

17 hours ago, Detournement said:

The Tunnel was that filthy you would have black bogies after it. The first time I went to the Warehouse was NY day 2006 and it was just old couches and sound system. The original Unit closer to the Academy was the best afters. 

Subby, Arches, Soundhaus and La Cheetah were/are the best venues in Glasgow. Everything else is shite in comparison.

The rooftops was always my favourite for a night of danger, if you got through it relatively unscathed then you felt as if you had achieved something.

[Le Tout P'ti FC]

The name of the pub at Old DHS was The Unicorn. Most famed for this You've Been Framed moment:

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Ned Nederlander said:

Presumably this is just shite patter on a par with those who claim they've driven to Carlisle just to save a couple of quid on a bottle of cider!?

Or my personal favourite, the ones who've chucked their jobs, uprooted their families and moved down south to avoid paying an additional 1% in income tax.

[Guest Jedi]

2 hours ago, renton said:

The last point would be that even if children are driving large asymptomatic case loads through school interaction, then it's not going to matter much longer, given how infectious this thing is, and given the kids have been in close proximity for two months now, it may well be that they've all had it, or will do soon. At which point there would be no reason to go to blended learning anyway.

The point about asymptomatic case loads is an important one, as of course, the vast majority of school pupils (and indeed staff), have not been tested, so don't show up in any figures. 

I still think that there is a discrepancy between the provisions made for many workplaces (those which have returned that is) with screens/masks/social distancing regulations in place etc, and school staff (all of: teachers, catering, office, janitors, bus drivers). Ultimately, again it comes down to a govt doing not what might be better in the longer term, but what is likely to gain more votes/public support....so, all possible safety measures for offices/public transport/shops/pubs/restaurants (prior to closure), but no distancing required for pupils in schools, no screens, no masks in classrooms etc. 

When I say that the blended learning ship has sailed, I mean that the govt have made it clear that schools would be the very last places to close/and or have the screens/widespread masks/distancing in place. This won't change.

2 main narratives prevail.......NS has done much better than Johnson, and has shown strong leadership and charisma throughout, and that Scotland is not making any choices that every other country has not had to implement as well. As a result, SNP poll numbers will remain in the high 40s/50%s

Even the Margaret Ferrier case still comes across as 'NS told her to resign, what else can she do'?

Edited October 11, 2020 by Jedi

[Mark Connolly]

1 hour ago, Michael W said:

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-additional-measures-october-2020/

They're advised to think about whether it's necessary and that's it. It's not a ban. 

Given that people are undoubtedly irritated about the restrictions as well as being fed up, that's a cop out. Still, at least they can blame the public when it goes wrong again. 

I may have identified the key issue...

[pandarilla]

So are the cases going down - or is it the old statistical anomaly based on which day it is?

Do we need to return to the weekly graphs, where we compare Sundays with previous Sundays, as opposed to comparing them with the previous few days?

[madwullie]

34 minutes ago, Jedi said:

The point about asymptomatic case loads is an important one, as of course, the vast majority of school pupils (and indeed staff), have not been tested, so don't show up in any figures. 

I still think that there is a discrepancy between the provisions made for many workplaces (those which have returned that is) with screens/masks/social distancing regulations in place etc, and school staff (all of: teachers, catering, office, janitors, bus drivers). Ultimately, again it comes down to a govt doing not what might be better in the longer term, but what is likely to gain more votes/public support....so, all possible safety measures for offices/public transport/shops/pubs/restaurants (prior to closure), but no distancing required for pupils in schools, no screens, no masks in classrooms etc. 

When I say that the blended learning ship has sailed, I mean that the govt have made it clear that schools would be the very last places to close/and or have the screens/widespread masks/distancing in place. This won't change.

2 main narratives prevail.......NS has done much better than Johnson, and has shown strong leadership and charisma throughout, and that Scotland is not making any choices that every other country has not had to implement as well. As a result, SNP poll numbers will remain in the high 40s/50%s

Even the Margaret Ferrier case still comes across as 'NS told her to resign, what else can she do'?

The Scottish govt are offering antibody tests to all teachers - so hopefully this will go some way to giving us some useful information to work from. 

Regarding the vote stuff, I'm not sure. I'm a parent (AHVE GOAT TWO BHOYS) and I'm not particularly up for the govt playing fast and loose with their health. It's not really a vote winner if loads of kids are coming down with a potentially dangerous virus that it is entirely possible to mitigate against - and they're not. I get the snippy parents© argument, but for most of the people I know, this really isn't the case. I wouldn't happily have my kids slapdash exposed to the virus so i had childcare and I'm not convinced too many parents would. 

Maybe I'm being extremely naive, but I do think if the Scottish govt had evidence that our schools were driving infections and spreading the virus further, they would take action. 

In saying that, this image, if true is concerning (I assume England only, but even still...) I'm surprised that it's not been linked here tbh. Maybe it's been debunked and I've not seen it, or there is some innocent explanation, but I cant for the life of me work out what it is. 

[Paco]

Tier 3 restrictions for England will include complete closure of pubs, casinos and gyms, however restaurants will remain open. Liverpool entering it tomorrow, according to a lot of journalists.

To be reviewed monthly. That’ll set the cat amongst the pigeons for the ‘wee nippy is killing the economy’ types.

[madwullie]

Minds being lost on Hamilton News Stand because someone told Isa that there is going to be 200 note fines for opening your door to guisers on Halloween 

[sparky88]

6 hours ago, jimbaxters said:

No you wouldn't.

What's the worst that could happen ? 

[sparky88]

43 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

So are the cases going down - or is it the old statistical anomaly based on which day it is?

Do we need to return to the weekly graphs, where we compare Sundays with previous Sundays, as opposed to comparing them with the previous few days?
 

7 day rolling average?