Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[renton]

22 minutes ago, John MacLean said:

We clearly have a very big problem. 

Some of these new restrictions have been in place in the, among others, NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde area for several weeks now. 

Today's figures show 181 new cases in the NHSGG&C area of which 132 are in the Glasgow City Local Authority area. 

The implementation of these restrictions would appear to have next to no positive impact in these areas. 

Which means either they don't work or they rely on a high level of compliance that we are simply not getting. 

Is there a correlation between a certain level of staunchness in Glasgow and its surrounds and an unwillingness to follow anything "that Sturgeon" says and non-compliance re Covid regulations? 

Are other countries as apparently reluctant to follow government rules?

Has the UK really had enough of experts as Gove suggested to the degree that during a global pandemic they are ignored?

My observations are that at least to a certain extent restrictions are being interpreted in a way that suits an individual. The household rule, for example, is seen as meaning house parties and not having someone over for a gab and a cup of tea when it clearly means anyone steeping over your threshold irrespective of whether they come with a bag of eccies and a cargo or a bit of battenberg and green tea. 

If we are relying on people seeing beyond the narrow confines of their own existence then I'm sorry we're gubbed. 

Bear in mind we still have a backlog in testing. That 132 is well outside the trend for the last week so may be an artefact of a lot of results from a few days. ScotGov trend analysis is being run on when the swab was taken rather than, or alongside when the +ve result is announced. They reckon it was having the effect of slowing up infection rates.

[Donathan]

All depends on whether 20yo a-p Jr has his own place.  If not then there's a choice to be made between a-p and a-p's ex.   If Jr decides to join the a-p household then he can't stay at his mum's at any point as his new chosen household has already used up its quota by already forming a bubble with a-p's MIL.   If Jr goes to his mum's then he can't go to a-p's for that same reason.  If he has his own place (i.e. separate household) then he doesn't have the choice of going inside a-p's hoose at all.

Not correct. Even if you “have your own place” you can still join a different household temporarily, as long as it’s “reasonable” e.g. measured in a period of several weeks, not a couple of days.

There are many, many young people who moved home to be with their parents over the lockdown. And that would be allowed in this case as well, even if they’re technically still paying rent on the flat they share with their mates.

[welshbairn]

26 minutes ago, ThatBoyRonaldo said:

Was Todd banned or is he just in hiding? Curious to know if he died a true poster's death or if he just shat it

 

On 17/09/2020 at 12:46, Ylf said:

going to turkey in 2 weeks.

 

On 17/09/2020 at 13:18, Todd_is_God said:

Going on Saturday. Quite looking forward to getting away from here and taking my mind off things for a fortnight.

[John MacLean]

7 minutes ago, renton said:

Bear in mind we still have a backlog in testing. That 132 is well outside the trend for the last week so may be an artefact of a lot of results from a few days. ScotGov trend analysis is being run on when the swab was taken rather than, or alongside when the +ve result is announced. They reckon it was having the effect of slowing up infection rates.

No pun intended, but that is positive to hear. 

[Jacksgranda]

On 21/09/2020 at 13:41, Jacksgranda said:

Jack's not in a great mood at the minute, confined to barracks awaiting his wee sister's Covid-19 results. He's only started back at Tech, so that's been knocked on the head, although one of his mates is away in despite his younger brother having been sent home from school with a cough. Not sure if it's the same class or even school as Jack's wee sister.

Unless everyone is playing by the same rules this thing is never going to be hit on the head.

Result came back negative.

[ICTChris]

People project what they want onto the pandemic. There is no indication that “staunchness” or hating the SNP is related to the spread.

[Hedgecutter]

3 minutes ago, Donathan said:

Not correct. Even if you “have your own place” you can still join a different household temporarily, as long as it’s “reasonable” e.g. measured in a period of several weeks, not a couple of days.

There are many, many young people who moved home to be with their parents over the lockdown. And that would be allowed in this case as well, even if they’re technically still paying rent on the flat they share with their mates.

 

 

Fair enough, although he'll still need to commit to a household for 'several weeks' knowing that he won't be able to enter the house of whichever parent gets turned down during that time. 

[Gaz]

35 minutes ago, John MacLean said:

Is there a correlation between a certain level of staunchness in Glasgow and its surrounds and an unwillingness to follow anything "that Sturgeon" says and non-compliance re Covid regulations? 

I've been saying this for a while.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

1 hour ago, Have some faith in Magic said:

My other half is going to see her elderly mum this weekend. 

Her mum lives by herself therefore she can still do that as it's a bubble. 

My interpretation anyway. 

 

Yes, further if you are a carer for someone you can visit them. 

[harry94]

7 minutes ago, John MacLean said:

We clearly have a very big problem. 

Some of these new restrictions have been in place in the, among others, NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde area for several weeks now. 

Today's figures show 181 new cases in the NHSGG&C area of which 132 are in the Glasgow City Local Authority area. 

The implementation of these restrictions would appear to have next to no positive impact in these areas. 

Which means either they don't work or they rely on a high level of compliance that we are simply not getting. 

Is there a correlation between a certain level of staunchness in Glasgow and its surrounds and an unwillingness to follow anything "that Sturgeon" says and non-compliance re Covid regulations? 

Are other countries as apparently reluctant to follow government rules?

Has the UK really had enough of experts as Gove suggested to the degree that during a global pandemic they are ignored?

My observations are that at least to a certain extent restrictions are being interpreted in a way that suits an individual. The household rule, for example, is seen as meaning house parties and not having someone over for a gab and a cup of tea when it clearly means anyone steeping over your threshold irrespective of whether they come with a bag of eccies and a cargo or a bit of battenberg and green tea. 

If we are relying on people seeing beyond the narrow confines of their own existence then I'm sorry we're gubbed. 

It's very difficult determine the effectiveness of the new restrictions from the headline figure of cases. You need to look at the channels that the virus has spread through and trace the clusters individually to determine the effectiveness of restrictions.

For what it's worth though, if you take increase % on a rolling 7 day basis (to try and move away from issues with test backlogs etc), the rate of growth increase (not the growth increase itself) has actually been far steadier since the 6th September. Why that is though is hard to say.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

It's very difficult determine the effectiveness of the new restrictions from the headline figure of cases. You need to look at the channels that the virus has spread through and trace the clusters individually to determine the effectiveness of restrictions.
For what it's worth though, if you take increase % on a rolling 7 day basis (to try and move away from issues with test backlogs etc), the rate of growth increase (not the growth increase itself) has actually been far steadier since the 6th September. Why that is though is hard to say.

You’re highly unlikely to get shopped or caught having a cup of tea and a gab than you are having the music up full blast and 30 steamin c***s in your house. Theres no interpretation it’s just a case of “ och i know we’re no supposed to but let’s have a quick cuppa no one will know “.
Also bubbles are impossible to police

[Andy Dufresne]

That's the wee one had her test,it was awful for her.

[Savage Henry]

14 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

People project what they want onto the pandemic. There is no indication that “staunchness” or hating the SNP is related to the spread.

Right.  But I think there’s probably a correlation between where people hold the government of whatever hue in contempt, and the spread.  
 

That being said, Sturgeon is clearly a better PR face than Boris, and Scotland has done no better than the UK with essentially the same advice and measures.  

[pandarilla]

Right.  But I think there’s probably a correlation between where people hold the government of whatever hue in contempt, and the spread.  
 
That being said, Sturgeon is clearly a better PR face than Boris, and Scotland has done no better than the UK with essentially the same advice and measures.  

We've had it considerably tighter, have we not?

That appears to have been sacrifice in return for very little. Sturgeon will surely come under pressure for this.

And yet we're still trying to follow the samw route, with no indoor visits.

[Savage Henry]

2 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

We've had it considerably tighter, have we not?

That appears to have been sacrifice in return for very little. Sturgeon will surely come under pressure for this.

And yet we're still trying to follow the samw route, with no indoor visits.
 

I can’t really argue with that, except to say the actual policy would have been the same whichever party was in charge.  In the end, medical advice is medical advice.  If people can’t follow it, so be it.   I can only assume the numbers of conspiracy theorists are larger than we would like to think. 

[Michael W]

11 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

I suspect in England, contempt for the government correlates with following the rules quite carefully.

The worst affected areas are predominately Labour seats. 

[Hedgecutter]

14 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

But I think there’s probably a correlation between where people hold the government of whatever hue in contempt, and the spread.  

There will inevitably be people who'll continue to say "Sturgeon is only being different to England simply for indy-related political reasons" and will consider the differences between the Scottish and English rules to be trivial.  As such, they'll just ignore them when they become an inconvenience, which will contribute to any significant spread (but not necessarily be the driving force behind one).

[Have some faith in Magic]

12 minutes ago, Michael W said:

The worst affected areas are predominately Labour seats. 

Bit of a brexity correlation as well. 

[welshbairn]

32 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

We've had it considerably tighter, have we not?

That appears to have been sacrifice in return for very little. Sturgeon will surely come under pressure for this.

And yet we're still trying to follow the samw route, with no indoor visits.
 

I doubt if many people have noticed much difference unless they religiously examine the minutiae of the rules about whether you can visit your auntie or not.

As to whether it was worthwhile, we seem to have escaped the worst of it in the Highlands anyway.

[Hedgecutter]

6 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

Is there an up to date map of cases UK wide?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/20/coronavirus-uk-map-confirmed-covid-cases-and-deaths-today

 

values based on per 100k