Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[ICTChris]

I also clicked into the Caerphilly Observer website to read some more about their lockdown and the news feed is pure, distilled Welsh valleys.  Loads of Covid stuff (obviously) with the only non-virus stories about darts and a rugby coach being a nonce, as well as a completely random story about circus animals.  Tidy.

https://caerphilly.observer/category/news/

[effeffsee_the2nd]

So pretty much evrywhere has seen a spike after re opening and it doesn’t matter how long or how strict the lockdown was see Scotland v spain for instance

Or even the USA where they were accusations of opening too early ( tbf that’s probably true)

So just how long do we stay locked down for?

To eliminate without a vaccine you would need to have a 24 hour cufrew in place with the army delivering food packages and medical, emergency services and utility workers camped at their workplace untill there was no new cases for however many days. And even then you’d need to shut the border entirely or the virus will just come back from abroad

 

[Mark Connolly]

1 minute ago, Snafu said:

And we got so close to phase 4.

 

Typical glorious failure from Scotland

[Bairnardo]

From the Inverness Courier -
https://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/news/parents-struggle-to-make-ends-meet-amid-surge-in-inverness-children-becoming-ill-after-returning-to-school-211612/

Parents struggle to make ends meet amid surge in Inverness children becoming ill after returning to school

Inverness is facing a hidden cash crisis as parents are forced to take time off work to care for sick children.
Now the city’s depute provost is calling on Highland Council to step in and help following a surge in poorly youngsters.
The return to school after lockdown is being blamed for a large spike in the number of pupils with colds and non-Covid viruses.
Central ward councillor Bet McAllister – whose ward includes Merkinch and Dalneigh, which have high deprivation figures – said: “There is a hidden cash crisis being caused by high numbers of children who went back to school and promptly caught colds or other non-Covid-19 viruses.
"Children who were entitled to free school meals now risk going hungry if they are off sick and mothers who have part-time jobs are taking time off work to look after these boys and girls, and are therefore losing important income.
"It adds up to a real problem for families already on a limited budget."
She made her comments after speaking to city charity Rokzkool Academy, which said it had had a rise in food requests from families with children off school with heavy colds.
"Mums in the Dalneigh and Merkinch area have approached me to explain this financial problem," she added.
"Highland Council did a wonderful job when the last school term was halted by lockdown, issuing cheques to parents of children who qualified for free school meals.
"Council chief executive Donna Manson and her team worked very hard to put that scheme in place and so many people have told me of their gratitude.
"But the huge spate of heavy colds affecting most schools in Inverness, and probably other towns in the Highlands, throws up an unexpected cash difficulty.
"I have raised the issue and hope the council can again step in and do something – this time for only a few days, or a week, until the pupil is fit to return to the classroom."
Inverness Central councillor Janet Campbell was also aware of many families facing financial hardship due to the pandemic.
“I’m totally supportive of any additional measures to help address the angst caused by families struggling to put food on tables,” she said.
Rokzkool Academy, a grassroots charity initially set up to offer music, sport and fun activities to children, lost its revenue due to the pandemic but has adapted to provide "lifeline" food and emergency packs from its base in Trinity Church.
Co-founder Kay Ewen said it had come across parents who were "really struggling".
"Since the kids went back to school, some have been identified as having symptoms of colds, or whatever," she said.
"Parents were concerned that if there was a positive coronavirus test, they would have to self isolate.
"They would then have to be off work and would have no income.
"We have assured them they will be given food boxes. It is the uncertainty and not knowing what to do – I don’t think they know who to turn to for support."
One city GP said increased reports of coughs and colds were to be expected, adding it would probably get worse into winter. She said if a child had a cough or fever, parents needed "to think Covid" and keep them off school, but acknowledged it could cause some difficulties and supported measures to help struggling parents.
A council spokeswoman said families on low incomes may be able to get help from the Scottish Welfare Fund to help with their heating, travel and other costs and should call or email the council’s welfare team to see if they were eligible.

Well virginton has already suggested the solution on this very thread. All of the people who need to care for their kids can be replaced by workers who have been laid off elsewhere.

That's right.

[Todd_is_God]

21 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said:

Typical glorious failure from Scotland

He said Phase 4, not Pot 4

[DA Baracus]

1 hour ago, renton said:

I thought it was usually about now, freshers is usually around 2nd or 3rd week September on a two semester system, isnt it?

The courses will be starting but there won't be any on campus teaching until 5th October.

[Hillonearth]

37 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said:

Typical glorious failure from Scotland

[Paco]

Will some deaths occur? Yes, but that alone isn't a reason to go in to full blown panic mode. Will they be anywhere near the number seen previously? The answer to that remains to be seen, but there is little evidence currently to say "it's here."

I agree with this. The much-hyped ‘second wave’ is coming now. There are dozens of reasons that it shouldn’t be as bad as last time, but the most basic ones are people’s behaviour. Cases are rising but not exponentially, quite simply because people aren’t packing into public transport, sitting in massive open-plan offices or standing at the bar in busy pubs.

Cases will rise. Hospitalisations will rise. Deaths will rise. None of that is acceptable but at this stage there is absolutely nothing we can do about it, aside from a second lockdown starting tonight. It’s a pandemic. It was never going to be any different.

We’re going to need everyone - public, media but especially politicians - to keep calm. Cases won’t keep going up because gyms are open, or small crowds are at football matches. It probably won’t help admittedly but they won’t be the main drivers. If there was a guaranteed vaccine by say January we could maybe just go into hiding until then but there isn’t.

We’re all going to have to ‘keep the heid’.

[Bairnardo]

I agree with this. The much-hyped ‘second wave’ is coming now. There are dozens of reasons that it shouldn’t be as bad as last time, but the most basic ones are people’s behaviour. Cases are rising but not exponentially, quite simply because people aren’t packing into public transport, sitting in massive open-plan offices or standing at the bar in busy pubs.

Cases will rise. Hospitalisations will rise. Deaths will rise. None of that is acceptable but at this stage there is absolutely nothing we can do about it, aside from a second lockdown starting tonight. It’s a pandemic. It was never going to be any different.

We’re going to need everyone - public, media but especially politicians - to keep calm. Cases won’t keep going up because gyms are open, or small crowds are at football matches. It probably won’t help admittedly but they won’t be the main drivers. If there was a guaranteed vaccine by say January we could maybe just go into hiding until then but there isn’t.

We’re all going to have to ‘keep the heid’.

There is also more treatment available. Namely a steroid whose name I forget that is supposed to cut deaths by a third.

[superbigal]

Too many examples now of more than 1 teacher in schools testing positive.
What gives ?
Still all standing making each other tea and sharing donuts in the staff room?

[tamthebam]

3 hours ago, renton said:

I get that the timing of schools opening up here seem to fit well with the rise in cases. However, every local authority has schools, and every school is probably acting in a more or less homogeneous way, open at the same time. So infection rates due to school should act as a multiplier across all authorities.

For cases to be increasing in, for example, Glasgow City Council area in a way it isn't in Edinburgh City Council area suggests, surely that there are other errant behaviours happening in the west acting as an additional multiplier above hospitality and schools that are pushing the cases up?

 

You're more likely to be loudly tutted at for not obeying the rules in Edinburgh than in Glasgow 

We may be a miserable bunch of torn faced unemotional East Coast cnuts but it's keeping the virus spread down here..

[Gaz]

I wonder if there's a link between safety measures being ignored the more Rangersy the area?

"Wee nippy disnae tell me whit tae dae "

[mizfit]

England expected to reduce numbers allowed in gatherings tomorrow from 30 to an unknown number.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

England expected to reduce numbers allowed in gatherings tomorrow from 30 to an unknown number.

I don’t know many people who’s house is big enough to have 30 folk over without it being rammed tbf

[D.A.F.C]

England expected to reduce numbers allowed in gatherings tomorrow from 30 to an unknown number.

Six

[Szamo's_Ammo]

10 minutes ago, mizfit said:

England expected to reduce numbers allowed in gatherings tomorrow from 30 to an unknown number.

If they don't know the number then how is everyone else supposed to know?

Edited September 8, 2020 by Szamo's_Ammo

[ICTChris]

Let’s lighten things up with a fun game.

When will the next nationwide restrictions be imposed?

I’ll say we’ll have new Scotland-wide restrictions by September 11th and the U.K. government will follow suit by September 15th.

Social gatherings of more than six people banned in England. Who had 10pm tonight in the game?

[Beth Paige-Black]

Things you don't hear on the news:   Younger people spread the virus more efficiently.   

Either 50% of under 18s are asthmatic or their not giving a toot.   Wee c***s won't be paying the mortgage when the parents lose their jobs.  

[Beth Paige-Black]

1 minute ago, ICTChris said:

 

Social gatherings of more than six people banned in England. Who had 10pm tonight in the game?

 

Really fun game, Chris.   

Do you jigsaw?  

[mizfit]

Six

Just seen there on Twitter, guy on BBC News said they didn’t know the number at the time.