Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Alert Mongoose]

Just now, Gaz said:

It depends.

If you go to the gym to sit on an exercise bike or waddle on a treadmill, then yes, you can do those outside.

If you go to a gym to lift weights, then that's not particularly easy to do elsewhere without a significant financial outlay (which is even more expensive just now).

Surely you could still organise some makeshift weights for the time being?  Come to think of it I’m needing slabs re-laid!?

[Gaz]

1 minute ago, Alert Mongoose said:

Surely you could still organise some makeshift weights for the time being?  Come to think of it I’m needing slabs re-laid!?

Not easily, no.

[D.A.F.C]

Could argue that gym and exercise is more essential than drinking, maybe in some parallel universe people go to Spain to work out and people are lifting weights in car parks to avoid covid-91.

[vikingTON]

9 minutes ago, Gaz said:

It depends.

If you go to the gym to sit on an exercise bike or waddle on a treadmill, then yes, you can do those outside.

If you go to a gym to lift weights, then that's not particularly easy to do elsewhere without a significant financial outlay (which is even more expensive just now).

There's body weight exercises etc. that would keep like 99% of the population in shape/fitter than they ever were before the gyms shut, the minority who want more than that will just have to wait for their 'roids a little bit longer. 

Edited July 9, 2020 by vikingTON

[Alert Mongoose]

2 minutes ago, Gaz said:

Not easily, no.

Come to think of it don’t most outdoor parks have gym equipment now?

[Gaz]

Just now, Alert Mongoose said:

Come to think of it don’t most outdoor parks have gym equipment now?

None around me have anything like that, although it'd be great if they did. The nearest park to me I can recall seeing any exercise equipment is at King's Park in Stirling.

[vikingTON]

3 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

Could argue that gym and exercise is more essential than drinking, maybe in some parallel universe people go to Spain to work out and people are lifting weights in car parks to avoid covid-91.

There are outdoor gym facilities in other countries that would provide an alternatie, largely involving burly Slavs hanging from various monkey bars from my very distant experience. The idea that you can stop someone with a 50 a day fags habit from wheezing all over the place after 0.5 seconds on the rowing machine in an indoor Scottish gym seems unrealistic from my similar, distant experience. 

Edited July 9, 2020 by vikingTON

[Gaz]

2 minutes ago, virginton said:

There's body weight exercises etc. that would keep like 99% of the population in shape/fitter than they ever were before the gyms shut, the minority who want moe than that will just have to wait for their 'roids a little bit longer. 

That's reasonably true, although the current rules also prohibit training in martial arts gyms which isn't very easily substituted.

[Alert Mongoose]

Just now, Gaz said:

None around me have anything like that, although it'd be great if they did. The nearest park to me I can recall seeing any exercise equipment is at King's Park in Stirling.

Ah right.  Seems to be loads in Dundee though never see many people using them right enough.

[D.A.F.C]

6 minutes ago, virginton said:

There are outdoor gym facilities in other countries that would provide an alternatie, largely involving burly Slavs hanging from various monkey bars from my very distant experience. The idea that you can stop someone with a 50 a day fags habit from wheezing all over the place after 0.5 seconds on the rowing machine in an indoor Scottish gym seems unrealistic from my similar, distant experience. 

Gym and exercise. That includes a wide range of sports and past times.

What were you up to in the former Yugoslavia?

 

Clown car operation those Serbs

[stumigoo]

This is just my own view on the gym - I know it is of course the case that I can do the same/similar exercises at home or outside in my garden but it’s like trying to decide between live football and watching football on the TV. Not a chance I’m choosing watching football on TV over going to a game. It’s so much more than the ‘thing’ you are wanting to do. Yes you are technically taking part in the same experience but actually going to the gym is a big deal for me in terms of my mental health and what I get out of it. Being able to use the other facilities like steam rooms and the pool or being able to sit and have a drink or some food afterwards in the building also adds to that. I’ve always struggled to replicate the feeling of gym based exercise by doing the same at home. It’s definitely a mental health thing for me as much as a physical thing (as is going to the football, which is also becoming a real struggle).

I understand why the government are still hesitant about gyms but I really hope we are in a position by the start of August to get them open.

[D.A.F.C]

That’s it, gyms aren’t just for physical well being. I get that pubs have a social aspect as well. There doesn’t seem to be any science in letting people go to Spain and pubs but not certain indoor exercise done safely. Exhaling and sweating more could be made safer by the same screens in pubs.

As seen last weekend nobody cares really when drinking.

[Todd_is_God]

33 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

As seen last weekend nobody cares really when drinking.

Given that (based on the SG's latest estimate) you would likely have to be close to nearly 5,500 people to find one that was infectious (never mind factoring in chance of transmission / chance of being symptomatic / needing to go to hospital/ICU etc etc), I'll go a step further and say that I think a fair chunk of people don't really care anymore full stop.

It's obviously not as straightforward as this, but you would have gotten shorter odds on Leicester winning the league than you would picking a random person today and them testing positive. The risk is higher in a gym envirinment, but it's still along the lines of Ross County winning the league.

Not saying that is the right mentality, but when you have had the ability to partake in the things you enjoy in life removed for 3½ months, it's not surprising people are quick to forget about the rules / accept a small element of risk.

Edited July 9, 2020 by Todd_is_God

[Caledonian1]

1 hour ago, Alert Mongoose said:

At least with gyms there are perfectly valid alternatives so it doesn’t seem to me to be urgent.

completely agree....not such an issue during summer.  I used to go 5=6 times a week Oct - April but maybe once a week at most the other months - far healthier to exercise outside (and during the current crisis obviously that is even more appropriate)

[Caledonian1]

17 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Given that (based on the SG's latest estimate) you would likely have to be close to nearly 5,500 people to find one that was infectious (never mind factoring in chance of transmission / chance of being symptomatic / needing to go to hospital/ICU etc etc), I'll go a step further and say that I think a fair chunk of people don't really care anymore full stop.

It's obviously not as straightforward as this, but you would have gotten shorter odds on Leicester winning the league than you would picking a random person today and them testing positive. The risk is higher in a gym envirinment, but it's still along the lines of Ross County winning the league.

Not saying that is the right mentality, but when you have had the ability to partake in the things you enjoy in life removed for 3½ months, it's not surprising people are quick to forget about the rules / accept a small element of risk.

Your odds may be around 5.500 is being next to an infectious person but if that one person was out and in a number of busy pubs or a busy enclosed gym then they could have infected a large number of people....who in turn go home / socialise........ and it spirals out of control potentially.

A fair chunk - the vast majority,  do care still and I am happy that we are not being reckless when we see new spikes elsewhere

[beefybake]

27 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Given that (based on the SG's latest estimate) you would likely have to be close to nearly 5,500 people to find one that was infectious (never mind factoring in chance of transmission / chance of being symptomatic / needing to go to hospital/ICU etc etc), I'll go a step further and say that I think a fair chunk of people don't really care anymore full stop.

It's obviously not as straightforward as this, but you would have gotten shorter odds on Leicester winning the league than you would picking a random person today and them testing positive. The risk is higher in a gym envirinment, but it's still along the lines of Ross County winning the league.

Not saying that is the right mentality, but when you have had the ability to partake in the things you enjoy in life removed for 3½ months, it's not surprising people are quick to forget about the rules / accept a small element of risk.

Which is about the length of time you've been ......   "What You All Worrying About ? "

aka "The Song of Donald ".

Edited July 9, 2020 by beefybake

[Todd_is_God]

ONS estimates for 22/6 - 5/7 put the estimated active number of infections in England at 0.026% of the population.

Scottish estimates put it at 0.018% here.

That is clearly not "many times" less prevelant as the FM often says when explaining why we need to be cautious about importing the virus from there.

There are a number of conclusions that can be drawn from those two figures, the most likely of which is that the SG's estimate of 1,000 contagious people is an overestimation, the root cause of which is that we simply aren't testing enough.

The problem with that is it is the estimated figure which is holding back the progress in the areas we would all like to see relaxations in.

Jackson Carlaw is a bellend but he has a perfect opportunity to ask the FM why they believe they are only capturing 1 in every 10 positive cases 4 months into the pandemic. He's far too busy being a shit stirrer, bumping his gums about borders and creating soundbites to ask what would be a reasonably fair question.

[Todd_is_God]

7 minutes ago, Caledonian1 said:

Your odds may be around 5.500 is being next to an infectious person but if that one person was out and in a number of busy pubs or a busy enclosed gym then they could have infected a large number of people....who in turn go home / socialise........ and it spirals out of control potentially.

Based on that principle we'll never do anything ever again.

[Todd_is_God]

5 minutes ago, beefybake said:

Which is about the length of time you've been singing the song of  "What You All Worrying About ? "

aka "The Song of Donald ".

Dreadful patter

[Gaz]

Right Todd_Is_God, I'm going to ask you a genuine question.

You're obviously a reasonably intelligent chap, capable of interpreting fairly complex details from graphs / charts / tables and disseminating it to others. You seem to be possessed with a degree of critical thinking.

Why, then, are you so comfortable with talking about the science behind coronavirus but when faced with a complete, overwhelming consensus from the respected scientific community that climate change is being accelerated by the actions of humanity do you discount that?