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8 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

None of the measures currently in place can run alongside a normal life, and giving up a normal life for me and my kids on an indefinite timescale is out of the question IMO.

Sounds a bit selfish that statement. 

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5 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:
45 minutes ago, Steven W said:
Just reflecting on that news today. Swinney took the nation by surprise with that one. The SG certainly do a far better job at keeping thing under wraps than their counterparts down south (That said, they clearly leak stories out down there in order to guage reaction before actually carrying them out).
Which takes me on to tomorrow where it seems we'll be getting some more lockdown restrictions removed. Any guesses as to what that may be?

We wont be getting anything lifted tomorrow, it's future indicative dates for some measures to be lifted she is providing, a heads up so to speak

I realise that, but I did word my post clumsily.

Indicative dates of what? Some aspects of phase 3 perhaps? NS tweeted yesterday about speeding things up 'with a fair wind'

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2 minutes ago, SJP79 said:

Is that not what the goverment is currently doing ?

Nope. They are going far more cautious than is necessary. Wrecking everything else)

Ive been able to go to the pub for almost three weeks now here in Belgium (the only country worse effected in Europe than U.K., maybe not anymore). I've been to visit other households for a month and a half now. Schools are open. And guess what no Second wave.
Only thing I can't do is go clubbing or to gigs. And much of the shite that some people say claiming the British are uniquely irresponsible somehow, is just applicable here. 
Anyway I got my state supplied face mask a few days ago, which will be compulsory for public transport and supermarkets.

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11 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Hopefully being able to travel more than 5 miles! I have a dietary requirement and the nearest town (Girvan) has about 2 things in its range. I’m desperate to get to Ayr for a “big shop”

Who's stopping you?

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I had a meeting on Zoom with colleagues a few weeks ago about purchasing 2 metre social distancing signage for our outlets when they reopen. I said at the time, ‘Hold off for now,  it’ll be down to 1m soon enough. The virus is in retreat and the economic imperative is far too strong for the government not to default to the WHO guidelines in due course, and where WM goes the Scottish government will inevitably follow.’ 

Sure enough, the 2m signage that loads of pubs and restaurants (and shops) have already invested in can now go straight in the bin - a complete waste of money for those businesses that committed funds too quickly on the basis of quickly-outmoded guidelines in a rapidly-evolving situation. 

Within 5 mins of Boris standing up in the Commons today, I was getting spam emails from the same Covid-19 ‘industry specialists’ (that up until today tried to sell us 2m signage) advising that their new 1m social distancing-compliant stickers and signage was already in stock and ready to order, all at ‘highly competitive’ prices. Suffice to say no refunds offered on all the 2m crap that is going straight to landfill.

It’s fair to say I’ll be almost as glad to see the back of the parasitic Covid-19 ‘health and safety’ industry, which has been on an even steeper exponential growth rate than the disease, as I’ll be glad to see the back of the virus itself. 

On the issue of football crowds, given recent developments, and having just watched John Swinney pirouette faster than Darcey Bussell on the whole ‘blended learning’ bollocks, it looks we’re now moving towards a more realistic view of risk assessment, even in Scotland. If things keep moving in the right direction, socially-distanced crowds in football stadiums won’t be very far away.

 

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Just now, Thereisalight.. said:

I’d just rather wait until it’s “legal” so I don’t feel like a criminal 🙄

It is legal just now. Shopping for essentials has always been legal. If you have a specific dietary requirement, and you can only get that from certain places, you're well within your rights to go there.

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33 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Hopefully being able to travel more than 5 miles! I have a dietary requirement and the nearest town (Girvan) has about 2 things in its range. I’m desperate to get to Ayr for a “big shop”

Well let people take a risk. We don’t shut down the world when flu kills thousands of elderly each year (yes I know covid isn’t just a bad flu”

Two gigs I was going to as well 😞 at least Green Day have rescheduled for next year but I doubt GnR will

Was looking into seeing the Red Hot Chilli Peppers this year when a friend told me Frusciante was back with them, think they were due to play Pinkpop right about now but that got loused. Think it'd be really cool to see him playing some of the newer stuff they've put out with his own style, like Dark Necessities etc. so I'm hoping to get to see them next year at some point.

If I can hit that sweet spot of a festival with GnR and the RHCP at it next year that'd be just lovely.

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It is legal just now. Shopping for essentials has always been legal. If you have a specific dietary requirement, and you can only get that from certain places, you're well within your rights to go there.


But that would stop him moaning his head off on here tbf.
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25 minutes ago, SJP79 said:

Sounds a bit selfish that statement. 

I don't think so.

For the average male in Scotland aged 35 on the day lockdown began, by the time the schools go back they will have given up 1% of their expected remaining life expectancy to life under Covid-19 restrictions.

It's perfectly reasonable for @Bairnardo to want to spend as much of his time, and time with his family, in the way which makes him happy.

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2 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said:

I feel sorry for staff who were charged with preparing timetables for this 'blended' nonsense.

It's been clear for a good few days where this was heading though.  I've spent them advising colleagues not to bust a gut on such a silly model, because a full return was very much on the cards.

I'm glad it's happening and I think the profession needs to be seen to be embracing it.

A lot of this work won't necessarily be wasted effort, since they should now be better prepared if there are any problems with covid or any other pandemic in the future. Even in the best case scenarios there will be new cases here and there over the winter and individual schools may have to close temporarily, at which point these teaching models can be adopted.

There's a lot of theory to suggest that blended learning can be a useful pedagogical technique anyway, so even if they never have to use it for this reason it may have given teachers an opportunity to reflect on their practice and to provide better quality education going forward..

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5 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

I don't think so.

For the average male in Scotland aged 35 on the day lockdown began, by the time the schools go back they will have given up 1% of their expected remaining life expectancy to life under Covid-19 restrictions.

It's perfectly reasonable for @Bairnardo to want to spend as much of his time, and time with his family, in the way which makes him happy.

Wait til you find out how much of your life is wasted labouring for a wage 😇

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Sorry to drag the subject back onto teaching, but even if the blended type stuff doesn't go ahead, it won't have been pointless. We have a plan in future if there is another wave, if there is a future pandemic we'll be better prepared, and it's possible even the lessons learned can be used in teaching at the moment - stuff like kids being "excluded" from class, kids who are off long term sick but able to work at home etc etc. 

 

Edit: or just what @craigkilliesaid. 

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40 minutes ago, Gaz said:

It is legal just now. Shopping for essentials has always been legal. If you have a specific dietary requirement, and you can only get that from certain places, you're well within your rights to go there.

Yeah I know shopping for essentials has always been allowed. Didn’t know if they’d class being vegetarian as a “real” dietary requirement 

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2 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Yeah I know shopping for essentials has always been allowed. Didn’t know if they’d class being vegetarian as a “real” dietary requirement 

Not when Girvan has already got a fucking Asda to effortlessly cater for this niche choice, no.

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1 hour ago, SJP79 said:

Sounds a bit selfish that statement. 

Hardly. I was merely qualifying that it's my opinion. Others will feel differently and are welcome to manage the perceived risk accordingly. They absolutely should do this. I perceive almost no risk to myself or my family, and see no justifiable reason why restrictions should continue indefinitely for minimal numbers of a virus we may never cure. 

Its simple common sense and a reasonable understanding of risk/reward or cost/benefit or whatever you want to call it

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I really believe that there will be big positives for teaching moving forward with some of the ‘new’ tools that many will be more confident in using. Hopefully that then improves learning and teaching. Teams being used to supplement in-class lessons for example, it is a facility that many will have largely ignored and is now being utilised properly.

 

Having been part of (and only on the fringes) of the actual timetabling, I really, really hope we never have to do that again. Those I have spoken to today who have been involved in that are frustrated with spending all that time putting together a schedule for 1000 kids to all visit in groups of 10 and to visit all of their curricular areas (including Senior Phase course choices) before being told three days before the end of term that it might never be used. It’s the nature of this whole situation I suppose but in hindsight the government really should have been pushing both scenarios, full-time and blended to maximise what was being done. Instead we’ve been told for weeks that it is definitely blended in August which then meant all this time lost in driving towards that goal.

 

As I say, the nature of the situation is what it is but the timing of today’s message could have come earlier.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

A lot of this work won't necessarily be wasted effort, since they should now be better prepared if there are any problems with covid or any other pandemic in the future. Even in the best case scenarios there will be new cases here and there over the winter and individual schools may have to close temporarily, at which point these teaching models can be adopted.

There's a lot of theory to suggest that blended learning can be a useful pedagogical technique anyway, so even if they never have to use it for this reason it may have given teachers an opportunity to reflect on their practice and to provide better quality education going forward..

Yes, there's something in that - more in the second paragraph than the first I'd say.  

The experience of trying to deliver an education in this way has indeed revealed some different, sometimes better, ways of doing things.  

That will have a relevance later on, especially if schools have to shut again, but not only in such circumstances. 

The 'blended' idea, though, really has been a load of rubbish in my view.  If kids were going to be in half the time, their teachers would be teaching the other half at the other times, thus preventing the delivery of on-line lessons.  Instead, teachers would see pupils at points, and set them work to do the rest of the time.  

It would be better than what we've recently had, and worse than what we're now due to get.  

To deal with future outbreaks, we need kids better coached in use of Teams, we need staff to recognise that this doesn't suit every kid, we need proper access to IT for all pupils, and we need any shutdown to be much shorter in duration than this.  

Even then, it will be hugely costly in educational and social terms.  

Kids need to be back in school if it can possibly be done, and I'm glad that's now recognised.

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8 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Yeah I know shopping for essentials has always been allowed. Didn’t know if they’d class being vegetarian as a “real” dietary requirement 

Wait a fucking minute :lol:

When you said you had a dietary requirement which meant you couldn't get what you needed locally I assumed some kind of allergy / allergies which meant you needed specialised food.

A fucking vegetarian :lol: Does the ASDA in Girvan not have any vegetables?

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