Jeremiah Cole Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 23 minutes ago, madwullie said: People didn't do what you are asking when they were asked to do it. So what would you have done then? You are saying that kids were still going to primary schools after they were closed? You are saying that mass gatherings were still happening? You are saying that companies weren’t getting their systems sorted to that people could work from home where possible? As for the ‘advice’, which I didn’t mention in my post, the numbers going to pubs and restaurants were down. The shopping malls were very empty. People were reducing their travel abroad. The advice was reducing social contact. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Big fear that next weekend will set us back weeks as hoards of morons have BBQs or fire down to the same hotspots for a day or two. To 'set us back' there would first have to be some clear evidence that the government's halfway house lockdown is having an impact. As of right now it looks to be as useful as Ayr United's open top bus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah Cole Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Romeo said: I knew there were a few tin foil hatters on P&B but some of their stuff on this thread is unbelievable. Thick Facebook posting morons everywhere. Don’t be so harsh on yourself 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: Just got KBed from the supermarket for not having a mask. You must be UGLY. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah Cole Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Big fear that next weekend will set us back weeks as hoards of morons have BBQs or fire down to the same hotspots for a day or two. Do you have any evidence that this will set us back weeks? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moomintroll Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 People dying of lung cancer and COPD are also being included in the coronavirus death statistics. Can you provide a break down of the numbers I have provided? In Italy, at least 50% of the people who died of coronavirus had at least 2 severe chronic illnesses. 75% had 3. The 3 main illnesses were heart disease, cancer and diabetes. The Italian Health Institute has confirmed that around 88% would have died anyway. On average, it’s reckoned that around 17,000 specifically die of the flu every year in the UK. In a bad flu season, like 14/15, it’s reckoned that it caused 44,000 excess mortality in the UK Most of these deaths could have been prevented by locking down the economy. People dying of lung cancer and COPD are also being included in the coronavirus death statistics. Can you provide a break down of the numbers I have provided? In Italy, at least 50% of the people who died of coronavirus had at least 2 severe chronic illnesses. 75% had 3. The 3 main illnesses were heart disease, cancer and diabetes. The Italian Health Institute has confirmed that around 88% would have died anyway. On average, it’s reckoned that around 17,000 specifically die of the flu every year in the UK. In a bad flu season, like 14/15, it’s reckoned that it caused 44,000 excess mortality in the UK Most of these deaths could have been prevented by locking down the economy.Yes, but unchecked, this virus will infect a lot more vulnerable people than a strain of Influenza as next to no one has any natural resistance to it as yet. A nasty strain of Influenza will cause a spike in mortality rates but this could utterly decimate the people who are the most vulnerable as well as taking out a lot of otherwise healthy people, are you seriously still fucking here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, Jeremiah Cole said: The government strategy is to flatten the curve so that the health service is not overwhelmed. The strategy isn’t to eradicate the virus. Finally getting it. 7 minutes ago, Jeremiah Cole said: In a bad flu season, like 14/15, it’s reckoned that it caused 44,000 excess mortality in the UK As you were. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: Just got KBed from the supermarket for not having a mask. I was in Stax (trade store) the other day and they gave you gloves to put on before you went in the store. I was in Morrisons supermarket the other week and saw a woman cough over the meat fridge. A proper cough, never covered her mouth. It was minging. The meat is all in clingfilm or whatever but still. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moomintroll Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 To 'set us back' there would first have to be some clear evidence that the government's halfway house lockdown is having an impact. As of right now it looks to be as useful as Ayr United's open top bus. Said the Morton fan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jeremiah Cole said: Don’t be so harsh on yourself You assume I was talking about you? Well that's quite telling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah Cole Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Just now, Moomintroll said: Yes, but unchecked, this virus will infect a lot more vulnerable people than a strain of Influenza as next to no one has any natural resistance to it as yet. A nasty strain of Influenza will cause a spike in mortality rates but this could utterly decimate the people who are the most vulnerable as well as taking out a lot of otherwise healthy people, are you seriously still fucking here. The Swedish model doesn’t allow for the virus to spread “unchecked”. They is okayed the very vulnerable, closed primary schools, banned mass gatherings, asked people to work from home where possible. Just the same as in the UK. The fact that you sink to personal abuse shows that you’ve lost the debate 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jeremiah Cole said: You are saying that kids were still going to primary schools after they were closed? You are saying that mass gatherings were still happening? You are saying that companies weren’t getting their systems sorted to that people could work from home where possible? As for the ‘advice’, which I didn’t mention in my post, the numbers going to pubs and restaurants were down. The shopping malls were very empty. People were reducing their travel abroad. The advice was reducing social contact. Is this before or after hordes of people descended on parks and beaches, picnicking, socialising and generally not respecting the 6ft rule which pushed the government to introduce more stringent measures? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah Cole Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: Finally getting it. My position has never changed. I’ve got it right from the start. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moomintroll Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 The Swedish model doesn’t allow for the virus to spread “unchecked”. They is okayed the very vulnerable, closed primary schools, banned mass gatherings, asked people to work from home where possible. Just the same as in the UK. The fact that you sink to personal abuse shows that you’ve lost the debate The fact that almost everybody on here are rightly calling out the shite you are spouting would suggest that you might be losing this debate old boy. I have just grown utterly tired of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) You can argue about it all you like, the fact is that people in this country are constantly looking for ways to cheat the system, and when advised to distance as much as possible they weren't. The evidence is in this very thread if you check back to around that time. I'd love it if we could follow the Swedish model (assuming it turns out to be successful in keeping their hospitals from being saturated during their peak - bit early to do any hack patting about that though). Sadly, the evidence is that people would just continue to do whatever the f**k they like unless told (not asked) to do otherwise. Edited April 4, 2020 by madwullie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post johnnydun Posted April 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jeremiah Cole said: People dying of lung cancer and COPD are also being included in the coronavirus death statistics. 1 hour ago, Jeremiah Cole said: From the latest excess mortality report from the ONS Number of deaths so far in 2020 in England & Wales where the specific cause was respiratory disease ( excluding coronavirus) 21,320 number of deaths of people WITH coronavirus as a yesterday in England & Wales 3,338 So you have counted the numbers twice to suit your own agenda? My son suffers from really bad Asthma, often needing put on a nebulizer, if he gets it, I would really worry for him. He like the rest of us will also die eventually, but I would like that to be from old age not because some fucking p***k like you couldn't handle not going to the pub for a couple of months. My son is in the same boat as thousands more. So go f**k yourself you utter melt. 30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah Cole Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Just now, madwullie said: Is this before or after hordes of people descended on parks and beaches, picnicking, socialising and generally not respecting the 6ft rule which pushed the government to introduce more stringent measures? The Imperial College report states that stoping mass gatherings have a negligible impact on flattening the curve. Do you have any evidence that banning what you have described will have a greater than negligible impact on flattening the curve? Are you saying that Neil Ferguson is wrong? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 I wonder if yon Pozbaird fella is still going shopping with his wife and having cozy wee biscuit debates in the middle of supermarket aisles 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, madwullie said: Is this before or after hordes of people descended on parks and beaches, picnicking, socialising and generally not respecting the 6ft rule which pushed the government to introduce more stringent measures? In fairness if you were to "descend" on Saltcoats or Largs beach, it's much more than Covid 19 you'd have to worry about !!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah Cole Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, johnnydun said: So you have counted the numbers twice to suit your own agenda? My son suffers from really bad Asthma, often needing put on a nebulizer, if he gets it, I would really worry for him. He like the rest of us will also die eventually, but I would like that to be from old age not because some fucking p***k like you couldn't handle not going to the pub for a couple of months. My son is in the same boat as thousands more. So go f**k yourself you utter melt. I suffer from really bad asthma. So does my partner. My mother has a life limiting heart condition. My father in law has cancer. My mother in law has COPD. The ‘double counting’ is my point. Doh! Edited April 4, 2020 by Jeremiah Cole 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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