PauloPerth Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, ArabianKnight said: Did we find out what the script was with Tree House Tam? I'm sorry to be the one to have to break the news, but it looks like @tree house tam made it through. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, virginton said: I'm interested to see how long it takes the UK's gormless medical experts to U-turn on their face masks are useless line and produce yet another infallible 'model' to justify their stance. I'd give it until the end of this week. My feeling is that facemasks are the adult equivalent of a baby's pacifier. Unless you have medical grade gear it's like putting a string vest over a open window to stop flies getting in. Edited April 4, 2020 by Detournement 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 hour ago, ayrmad said: I am in one. Ok, I get you, but that's only for certain groups who are more at risk, not the general population. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 13 people have died in one week at a care home in Stepps to the east of Glasgow. No Corona virus testing at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Ok, I get you, but that's only for certain groups who are more at risk, not the general population. I was only talking about myself in the 1st post, what others do is their choice. I'll follow the numbers as much as possible and go from there. Edited April 4, 2020 by ayrmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Detournement said: My feeling is that facemasks are the adult equivalent of a baby's pacifier. Unless you have medical grade gear it's like putting a string vest over a open window to stop flies getting in. mods, ffs. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said: Read a report on Sky that some expert thinks social distancing measures here will be relaxed in the “next few weeks”. So many contrary reports every day Contrary to what many people believe, I'm sure the idea all along is not to avoid catching the virus per se, but to avoid catching it all at the same time. This way the infections are staggered and the most acute cases can be dealt with by our hospitals as opposed to everyone getting it at the same time which would obviously mean coping would be impossible, our Hospitals and ancillary services would be overwhelmed and we'd end up with situations such as Bergamo but much, much worse. By the same token the longer we can go on without a mass outbreak, the longer we have to find a drug to combat / ease the symptoms or of course finding the jackpot in a genuine vaccine. Ultimately it's all speculation as the advice does seem to change quite regularly as the situation develops. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah Cole Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 The government strategy is to flatten the curve so that the health service is not overwhelmed. The strategy isn’t to eradicate the virus. Can someone please show me some evidence as to why the Swedish model will not flatten the curve and why their health system will be overwhelmed? Can someone please show me that the number of deaths caused by the ensuing depression won’t be greater than the difference between the UK following their current model versus the Swedish model? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Britain's death toll now higher than China's. Given that local Chinese officials were trying to cover up the initial outbreak I would suspect that the official figures seriously underestimate the number of infections/deaths. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Just now, Jeremiah Cole said: The government strategy is to flatten the curve so that the health service is not overwhelmed. The strategy isn’t to eradicate the virus. Can someone please show me some evidence as to why the Swedish model will not flatten the curve and why their health system will be overwhelmed? Can someone please show me that the number of deaths caused by the ensuing depression won’t be greater than the difference between the UK following their current model versus the Swedish model? Can you show me how you cure Lung Cancer by standing more than 2m away? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, WATTOO said: Contrary to what many people believe, I'm sure the idea all along is not to avoid catching the virus per se, but to avoid catching it all at the same time. This way the infections are staggered and the most acute cases can be dealt with by our hospitals as opposed to everyone getting it at the same time which would obviously mean coping would be impossible, our Hospitals and ancillary services would be overwhelmed and we'd end up with situations such as Bergamo but much, much worse. By the same token the longer we can go on without a mass outbreak, the longer we have to find a drug to combat / ease the symptoms or of course finding the jackpot in a genuine vaccine. Ultimately it's all speculation as the advice does seem to change quite regularly as the situation develops. This is exactly as I understand it. The infection rate means it spreads like wildfire and too many folk having it at once would overwhelm the NHS. It's about slowing the spread, not stopping it. This is what the 'bUT the 'FlU kiLLs MoRe!!111!!" folk don't seem to get. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, Detournement said: My feeling is that facemasks are the adult equivalent of a baby's pacifier. Unless you have medical grade gear it's like putting a string vest over a open window to stop flies getting in. If morons think that wearing a mask will directly protect them from the virus (it won't) then that's fine. The point is that by doing so they will greatly reduce their own virus particles being sprayed out of the mouth if they are carrying it and showing no symptoms. The more people that wear a mask then the harder it is for the virus to continue spreading. And you don't need a high-quality surgical mask to achieve that. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Big fear that next weekend will set us back weeks as hoards of morons have BBQs or fire down to the same hotspots for a day or two. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Was expecting this to happen in Scotland first. A couple in India have named their twins born amid the global coronavirus pandemic Corona and Covid. The siblings - a girl and a boy - were born to Preeti and Vinay Verma in the Indian state of Chhattisgarh on 27 March during the ongoing nationwide lockdown, according to NDTV 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah Cole Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, johnnydun said: Lehs! You can't prevent lung cancer or COPD etc... that way. Your 21,320 is a group of conditions, not 1 single condition. People dying of lung cancer and COPD are also being included in the coronavirus death statistics. Can you provide a break down of the numbers I have provided? In Italy, at least 50% of the people who died of coronavirus had at least 2 severe chronic illnesses. 75% had 3. The 3 main illnesses were heart disease, cancer and diabetes. The Italian Health Institute has confirmed that around 88% would have died anyway. On average, it’s reckoned that around 17,000 specifically die of the flu every year in the UK. In a bad flu season, like 14/15, it’s reckoned that it caused 44,000 excess mortality in the UK Most of these deaths could have been prevented by locking down the economy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, WATTOO said: Contrary to what many people believe, I'm sure the idea all along is not to avoid catching the virus per se, but to avoid catching it all at the same time. T It's laughable to see people still clinging to the belief that there has been a plan all along, when the UK government has actually flip-flopped on nearly every single piece of public health advice in the month of March alone. Was it really their idea to give Italy a run for its money in the number of daily deaths right now? As opposed to being a relative success story like South Korea or Singapore? If you believe that then you are assuming that the UK is governed by highly efficient sociopaths. Edited April 4, 2020 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Just got KBed from the supermarket for not having a mask. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 20 minutes ago, Steven W said: I'm afraid I could be right. Not seeing any light at the end of the tunnel here. I’m an eternal pessimist but even I don’t think it will be anywhere near that time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 I knew there were a few tin foil hatters on P&B but some of their stuff on this thread is unbelievable. Thick Facebook posting morons everywhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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