Jacksgranda Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Jeremiah Cole said: Which is what happens with the flu Against which we have a vaccine, thus (generally) protecting the elderly and those with an underlying/chronic health problem. Like the 3 people who live in our house. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: Against which we have a vaccine, thus (generally) protecting the elderly and those with an underlying/chronic health problem. Like the 3 people who live in our house. Flu vaccines generally do not protect the elderly and vulnerable at all well. Which is why it still kills tens of thousands of people in the UK during a common or garden 'bad season'. Edited March 30, 2020 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: *does the about to explain why a joke works bridge of nose pinch, sighs* yeah but the comedy that came from the moment was him saying the invasion wasn't happening, thus when you cite something saying no more folk than normal are dying while every country is taking over expo centres and filling them with hospital beds makes it a suitable emblem of your own particular quixotic mission in this thread. Between his handle and the use of 'quixotic' I reckon Mixu's a plant from Sesame Street, trying to PR the letter 'X'. Perfect way of going undercover as can't ever be accused of being the biggest muppet in the thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Sweden has so far pursued the most liberal strategy in dealing with Covid19, which is based on two principles: Risk groups are protected and people with flu symptoms stay at home. „If you follow these two rules, there is no need for further measures, the effect of which is only marginal anyway,“ said chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell. Social and economic life will continue normally. The big rush to hospitals has so far failed to materialize, Tegnell says.Source please. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Just now, pandarilla said: 24 minutes ago, Jeremiah Cole said: Sweden has so far pursued the most liberal strategy in dealing with Covid19, which is based on two principles: Risk groups are protected and people with flu symptoms stay at home. „If you follow these two rules, there is no need for further measures, the effect of which is only marginal anyway,“ said chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell. Social and economic life will continue normally. The big rush to hospitals has so far failed to materialize, Tegnell says. Source please. Major League Baseball. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 17 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: Italy has reported 97,689 infections and 10,779 deaths so far, but on Sunday said the number of confirmed cases had increased by only 5.4% in the past 24 hours and deaths had decreased by about 10% a day since Friday. Hopefully, this is the turning point for Italy. People in Italy will struggle if they have to stay indoors through the summertime. It will be too hot. Daft suggestion time, get the mafia and gangs to force order by paying them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, pandarilla said: 29 minutes ago, Jeremiah Cole said: Sweden has so far pursued the most liberal strategy in dealing with Covid19, which is based on two principles: Risk groups are protected and people with flu symptoms stay at home. „If you follow these two rules, there is no need for further measures, the effect of which is only marginal anyway,“ said chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell. Social and economic life will continue normally. The big rush to hospitals has so far failed to materialize, Tegnell says. Source please. Very selective anyway, here's what's actually happening. Quote Stockholm’s public transport company SL says it saw passenger numbers fall by 50% on subway and commuter trains last week. Polls suggest three-quarters of Swedes are keeping at least a metre away from others at least some of the time. At least a third of Stockholmers are remote working, while Stockholm Business Region, funded by the city council, estimates that levels are well above 90% in the capital’s largest companies. Swedes also haven’t been panic buying as much as in other countries, although Lola Akinmade Åkerström remarks that “for one of the world’s top producers of toilet paper, it was surprising to witness the initial mad rush to stockpile toilet roll”. https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200328-how-to-self-isolate-what-we-can-learn-from-sweden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 I think Jeremiah has a point to an extent. The 10k deaths in Italy so far sound terrifying but are barely a blip on the normal death stats. These are deaths associated with the virus. Ie people who tested positive died. They didn't necessarily die "from" the virus Some of these might not even have had symptoms (probably vey few because of who gets tested). But then people dying "from" coronavirus isn't the only issue. It can exacerbate other causes (no-one ever died from AIDS remember). The main issue seems to be medical capacity though. The 250k death scenario in the uk was also for associated deaths. The guy that did the study said that the annual population mortality rate would be basically unchanged. But that's a very big number and a statistically insignificant movement is tens of thousands. These measures will cause some deaths directly. If they hurt the economy there will be more poor people with all the behavioural and environmental factors that increase their death rate. These measures will kill some people indirectly, although these will be statistical deaths with complex non-obvious clauses. Personally i think what has been done so far is proportionate. But the "at all costs" attitude is short-sighted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Very selective anyway, here's what's actually happening. https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200328-how-to-self-isolate-what-we-can-learn-from-sweden Ergo the Swedish strategy is workable there because the populace have some semblance of a sense of responsibility, and would be catastrophically dangerous in the UK. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Gaz said: Genuinely astonished at the number of people who think two fit and healthy people going out in a car when only one is needed = necessary travel. Why did you throw in "fit and healthy" there when we were talking about an elderly couple? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Worrying for me is the police taking their own slant on what the government legislation says, and making up rules to suit themselves. For this to work the police will need a lot of goodwill from the public, which will evaporate quickly if they don't stop being so heavy handed and interpreting the law to suit themselves. That's not to say the measures aren't necessary - they are. Really shitty situation all round 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Does anyone have any sites where you can get historical daily data for all the different countries. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, coprolite said: I think Jeremiah has a point to an extent. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gaz said: Cars are in accidents every day. As far as I am aware planes don't crash into houses every day, nor do trucks crash into living rooms on a regular occurrence. I'm not really sure what's so hard about this to understand. Two people going for the shopping, when one person is able to do it on their own, is not necessary travel. The times we’ve went out shopping, we’ve both went, and we will continue to do so. We are both in our late 50s, and so far, the extent of our car crash experience is when I bumped into the car in front of me, back in 1984 when there were still traffic lights at the St James Interchange at Glasgow Airport, which always caused traffic to back up onto the M8 itself. Next time we need to go out, we will say a prayer, buckle our seatbelts, and (on the very, very quiet roads we currently have that diminish the chances of being flattened by an HGV anyway), we will put our lives on the line and drive off to Tesco. See when all this is over and you need something to do? Maybe Nuremberg could put on a rally for you to attend. Edited March 30, 2020 by pozbaird 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, pozbaird said: The times we’ve went out shopping, we’ve both went, and we will continue to do so. We are both in our late 50s, and so far, the extent of our car crash experience is when I bumped into the car in front of me, back in 1984 when there were still traffic lights at the St James Interchange at Glasgow Airport, which always caused traffic to back up onto the M8 itself. Smashing. Because we all know that your likelihood of being in a car accident is dependent on how many you've been in before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Just now, Gaz said: Smashing. Because we all know that your likelihood of being in a car accident is dependent on how many you've been in before. FFS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports Cheers, I should probably just have reset my search terms on my phone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dee Man said: Why did you throw in "fit and healthy" there when we were talking about an elderly couple? Well, I'm assuming that in their own minds they are fit and healthy. If they're not, then it makes the decision for both of them to go for the shopping even more bizarre, to be honest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, pozbaird said: FFS. What possible bearing does you being involved in a car accident in the past have on the risk of being involved in one in the future? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Pozbaird has to be at the wind up now -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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