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2 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

Perhaps you have a subnormal IQ and thus cannot read. 

 

I don't see you demanding Johnson personally condemn anything there.  Why don't you expect the same from him as you do corbyn?

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Doesn't quite fit here but after all that furore about anti-Semitism in Labour I'm awfully confused how come 0 labour candidates have been suspended because of it but 2 Tory ones have?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
So people did not want to let this lie. 
Still no one has found much in the way of Corbyn condemning PIRA violence, calling for them to disarm, or much in the way of any support for the people of Northern Ireland having the right to self determination by choosing whether to be British or Irish by a referendum.
Only calls for the UK government to give in to PIRA demands without much of a squeak about their murders. 
Believe what you want. Because without evidence that is all you have, faith in magical grandpa and his fairy tale's of what he was up too in the 80s. 
It's been pointed out regularly that Corbyn was speaking up for those who were being painted as "terrorist bad" in the British media.

This was absolutely required in order to create the space that allowed the peace process to continue. The British govt were speaking to the IRA secretly, and Corbyn was doing the same without the secrecy.

It's hilarious that you're still trying to portray him as some sort of balaclava wearing terrorist.

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25 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

No such Early Day Motion exists in 1994

Nothing condemning the IRA at any rate. Perhaps its another of his "condemning all violence" or something along his usual smirking gloating style.

 

State of this.

Learn to use the search function properly.

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15 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

Doesn't quite fit here but after all that furore about anti-Semitism in Labour I'm awfully confused how come 0 labour candidates have been suspended because of it but 2 Tory ones have?

Cause Corbyns a pure anti-semite who doesn't do anything about it..... But Boris is a multicultural man who acts swiftly........ or some baws like that.

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‘I’m happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for an independent Ireland’ he told a Wolf Tone Society gathering after Loughall. Presumably including those intent on blowing a local police station to smithereens and anyone inside. His support for the IRA was unequivocal back in the 80’s. The world may have changed since then and certainly for the better in the province thankfully, but let’s not pretend he was anything other than a sympathiser with Republican violence.

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4 hours ago, Clockwork said:

‘I’m happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for an independent Ireland’ he told a Wolf Tone Society gathering after Loughall. Presumably including those intent on blowing a local police station to smithereens and anyone inside. His support for the IRA was unequivocal back in the 80’s. The world may have changed since then and certainly for the better in the province thankfully, but let’s not pretend he was anything other than a sympathiser with Republican violence.

He wasn't a sympathizer for.violence he agreed with their aims, as do I.  He was hardly.punching the air with delight every.time.the IRA killed someone.  He sympathised with the victims of oppression all over the world including n Ireland and palestine, and hellllooooooo we are the oppressors and have been oppressing that community for a long fucking time.  He was right.

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‘I’m happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for an independent Ireland’ he told a Wolf Tone Society gathering after Loughall. Presumably including those intent on blowing a local police station to smithereens and anyone inside. His support for the IRA was unequivocal back in the 80’s. The world may have changed since then and certainly for the better in the province thankfully, but let’s not pretend he was anything other than a sympathiser with Republican violence.
A lot of people sympathised with republican violence because the peaceful option didn't have any effect.

The IRA lost a lot of support when they stopped targeting the soldiers, politicians and loyalist groups and started indiscriminate public attacks. That was a huge turning point.

I don't think Corbyn would've supported those tactics.

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Like that Riley lunatic on the Twitter, I'd be more impressed with folk if they just said "I think the lad's a cock tbh" rather than twisting themselves inside out making up absolute shite.

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A lot of people sympathised with republican violence because the peaceful option didn't have any effect.  The IRA lost a lot of support when they stopped targeting the soldiers, politicians and loyalist groups and started indiscriminate public attacks. That was a huge turning point.  

I don't think Corbyn would've supported those tactics.

 

 

 

 

‘stopped targeting the soldiers’ !?? Le Mon, Claudy & Kingsmill.. long before ‘a huge turning point’ as you put it. Jeremy Corbyn and others within the Labour movement back then were still prepared to offer their tacit support, despite indiscriminate slaughter. If they’ve changed their viewpoint, fair enough, but at least be honest about it.   

 

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A lot of folk I know (who I suspect would probably otherwise vote Labour), are saying they'll never vote for Labour while Corbyn is in charge because he was pictured shaking hands with adams and mcguiness.
What are folks' thoughts on this?
Notice, how this dropped off the MSM agenda, as soon as the Tories started bribing the DUP, and anti semitism nonsense started.

If Corbyn was attempting talks to resolve matters peacefully, then fair play to him.

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‘stopped targeting the soldiers’ !?? Le Mon, Claudy & Kingsmill.. long before ‘a huge turning point’ as you put it. Jeremy Corbyn and others within the Labour movement back then were still prepared to offer their tacit support, despite indiscriminate slaughter. If they’ve changed their viewpoint, fair enough, but at least be honest about it.    
I've read a few things (notably regarding musician Christy Moore) about the late 80s and early 90s seeing a clear upturn in civilian casualties to widen the coverage of the campaign. This lost a lot of sympathy for the ira and seemed to create a new impotus for a peaceful solution.

That's the point I was trying to make. I'm happy to admit that I'm not an expert in this topic but the idea that corbyn was a terrorist supporter just doesn't fit. Yes he supported the campaign generally but he has always been a bit of a lefty hippy rather than a socialist worker wannabee paramilitary.

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1 hour ago, Clockwork said:

‘stopped targeting the soldiers’ !?? Le Mon, Claudy & Kingsmill.. long before ‘a huge turning point’ as you put it. Jeremy Corbyn and others within the Labour movement back then were still prepared to offer their tacit support, despite indiscriminate slaughter. If they’ve changed their viewpoint, fair enough, but at least be honest about it.   

 

Bloody Friday occurred in July 1972. Victims were blown to bits and swept up into plastic bags. That must have been when they stopped targeting soldiers.

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Bloody Friday occurred in July 1972. Victims were blown to bits and swept up into plastic bags. That must have been when they stopped targeting soldiers.
What is your take on Corbyn on this issue then?

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7 hours ago, pandarilla said:
7 hours ago, Jacksgranda said:
Bloody Friday occurred in July 1972. Victims were blown to bits and swept up into plastic bags. That must have been when they stopped targeting soldiers.

What is your take on Corbyn on this issue then?

The best slant I could put on it was he was very naive.

However, he's a politician, so he probably did tacitly support the IRA. I think he had zero impact on the ceasefire(s) or the "peace process".

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I think Corbyn has always wanted to distance himself from Britain's imperial past.  He sees nothing glorious about the empire and would not approve of going into any country and taking over.

The IRA would obviously have agreed with this.  The unionists probably not.

His approach was unlikely to succèed since it challenges the unionists' right to ever have been there in the first place.

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