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On 11/11/2019 at 23:45, HibeeJibee said:

Clyde were denied a Fairs Cup place in 1967 as they failed to argue they were from Rutherglen not Glasgow - they never did play in Europe

Is it true that the Glasgow/Rutherglen border ran across the halfway line at Shawfield?

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14 hours ago, Flybhoy said:

Neil Simpson's tackle on Ian Durrant effectively ruined his career. 

Bollocks, albeit he was out for two years this misty eyed theory among **** and the SMSM that he would have been the Scottish Paul Gascoigne* is a pile of gash, on his return to football he played over 200 more games for Rangers l, winning several medals, playing Champions League football, gaining 20 Scotland caps and had a loan spell at Everton in the EPL before having four years at Kilmarnock then retiring in his mid 30's.

He was a good player yes, but never the erstwhile midfield genius on a par with players of that era such as Robson, Gullit, Deschamps, Mattheus and co, he achieved roughly what his talent merited in that era upon recovering from an admittedly serious injury. 

*In the sense that he evolved into a thick as pigshit, drunken ned fond of sectarian songs and kebab shop brawls he did, to an extent emulate Gazza.

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14 hours ago, Brummie Clyde said:

Clyde were denied a Fairs Cup place in 1967 as they failed to argue they were from Rutherglen not Glasgow

I thought we did argue that we were from Rutherglen not Glasgow, but still weren't allowed into it. Stupid Inter-Cities Fairs Cupp rubbish.

Three cheers for UEFA, hip, hip...

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On 11/11/2019 at 23:00, Day of the Lords said:

Rangers weren't semi-finalists in the Champions League 1992-93. 

They simply finished 2nd in a group in which only the winners would go through to meet the other group winners in the final. No semi-final was played. 

 

Completely off-topic, but that sounds like the shittest Champions League/European Cup format ever.

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8 hours ago, GordonD said:

Is it true that the Glasgow/Rutherglen border ran across the halfway line at Shawfield?

The border did run across the park at Shawfield though I don't think it was on the halfway line...my old Dad used to tell me the story of the player who hit a shot from Rutherglen and scored in Glasgow. 

Another myth is that Clyde's home attendances slumped when they moved from Shawfield to Cumbernauld...I believe there was no great difference in the average attendances for the years immediately before and after.  

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Another myth is that Clyde's home attendances slumped when they moved from Shawfield to Cumbernauld...I believe there was no great difference in the average attendances for the years immediately before and after.  


According to Roar of the Crowd, Clyde's attendances went up after leaving Shawfield. Dropping a wee bit when we moved from Firhill to Hamilton then rising on moving to Broadwood. The real attendance hit came with the successive demotions a decade ago.
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That there is some sort of equation for working out the price of a game based upon the "quality of the product on display"

Usually parroted by mouthbreathers in the Championship forum spouting nonsense like "no-one should pay more than X pound for second tier football"

Does the price of football price folk out? Absolutely. Should it be lower? That would be lovely but I don't see many lower league chairman paying themselves huge dividends at the end of the season.

You go to football to watch your team - it isn't the theatre. 

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10 hours ago, Busta Nut said:

Today's version is much worse

Crowd pleasing #AMF pish but not a chance. Group stages then knockout is a classic formula which has stood the test of time. Qualifying rounds then group stages then the final sounds like an utter dogs dinner. 

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11 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Three cheers for UEFA, hip, hip...

Of course to explain for those unaware... what is now the Europa League was previously the UEFA Cup and before that the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup. Of its first guise there were some extra criteria about hosting a trade fair (which was quickly dropped if it was ever properly enforced at all) and only having 1 representative per city (which was dropped after a while, reinstated, then dropped again).
 

11 hours ago, The OP said:

Completely off-topic, but that sounds like the shittest Champions League/European Cup format ever.

It was effectively a transitional model. In both 1991-92 and 1992-93 the Quarter-Finals and Semi-Finals were replaced by 2 groups of 4 with winners meeting in Final. (This meant 6 games instead of 4 i.e. 2-leg QFs & SFs). Only in the latter season was term "Champions League" used - and only for the groupstage. Then in 1993-94 they reinstated SFs, and from 1994-95 there were 4 groups of 4 followed by QFs, SF & Final.
 

13 hours ago, GordonD said:

Is it true that the Glasgow/Rutherglen border ran across the halfway line at Shawfield?

Hampden was at least partly in Renfrewshire until 1906 too... There is also a story I vaguely recall reading about (but unsure if it's Hampden or Shawfield or elsewhere) regarding a ground partly in 2 constabulary areas which ended-up in different capacity regulations. Possibly during WWII?

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1 hour ago, The OP said:

Crowd pleasing #AMF pish but not a chance. Group stages then knockout is a classic formula which has stood the test of time. Qualifying rounds then group stages then the final sounds like an utter dogs dinner. 

On a separate but related note (and not a myth - but a fact few people know): in the first season of the European Cup (1955-56) the First Round ties were picked by committee not drawn. 

In each tie an invitee from Britain, Benelux and the Latin countries was paired-up against one from Central Europe and Scandanavia:

Team 1 Agg. Team 2 1st leg 2nd leg
Sporting CP Portugal 5–8 Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Partizan 3–3 2–5
Vörös Lobogó Hungary 10–4 Belgium Anderlecht 6–3 4–1
Servette Switzerland 0–7 Spain Real Madrid 0–2 0–5
Rot-Weiss Essen West Germany 1–5 Scotland Hibernian 0–4 1–1
Djurgården Sweden 4–1 Poland Gwardia Warszawa 0–0 4–1
AGF Aarhus Denmark 2–4 France Reims 0–2 2–2
Rapid Wien Austria 6–2 Netherlands PSV Eindhoven 6–1 0–1
Milan Italy 7–5 Saar Protectorate Saarbrücken 3–4 4–1


(England withdrew their representative and were replaced by Poland. Note the Saarland entry - who played in West German system - and their debut win at San Siro).


Other interesting facts about the debut European Cup:
* several Hibs players missed their R1 2nd leg v Essen as they played in Staevnet v Scottish League in Copenhagen the night before  and their plane got fog-bound
* R2 1st leg Djugardens v Hibs was played at Firhill (it was late November and supposedly Sweden pitches were frozen)
* QF 1st leg Real Madrid v Partizan Belgrade was played on Christmas Day
* Arthur Ellis refereed 4 out of 6 games involving Hibs - and the Final
* only 7 of the 16 clubs were actually national champions (and there weren't even nationwide leagues in West Germany or Netherlands)

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