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He's one of the fucking welts that are having a go at the Greens running against the SNP. So he can pretty much get fucked.

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8 minutes ago, Andrew Wells said:

He's one of the fucking welts that are having a go at the Greens running against the SNP. So he can pretty much get fucked.

If he loses the seat more chance we will all get fucked.

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The SNP should have a groaning war chest from all their membership fees. If they've not given him special treatment in a tight contest and he's having to resort to crowdfunding then that probably says something.

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17 minutes ago, Andrew Wells said:

He's one of the fucking welts that are having a go at the Greens running against the SNP. So he can pretty much get fucked.

What's the point of the Greens running in SNP/Tory marginals like Perth?

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13 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

If he loses the seat more chance we will all get fucked.

He has no right to tell anyone not to run. It's an ego trip.

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Just now, Andrew Wells said:

He has no right to tell anyone not to run. It's an ego trip.

He can say what he wants and people can disagree, that’s democracy.

However if he loses the seat more chance we will all get fucked.

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22 minutes ago, Andrew Wells said:

He has no right to tell anyone not to run. It's an ego trip.

He's got a 21 vote majority out of 52525 in 2017. Do you think the Greens are likely to take votes from the Tories? And he's not telling them anything, he's asking.

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Really uncomfortable with the idea of parties not running to do others a favour. Anyone can run and it's up to voters to decide if they want to be tactical.

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It does come off as a bit arrogant and entitled to have a pop at other parties just for standing, but I don't think it's a great look for the Greens when the Tories are in such close contention and the only possible winners other than the SNP. If Labour or even the Lib Dems were in the Tories' position, I'd be less bothered about it. 

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2 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

Really uncomfortable with the idea of parties not running to do others a favour. Anyone can run and it's up to voters to decide if they want to be tactical.

Agree with this. The SNP have constantly had a pop at Unionists tactical voting.
 

I’d rather the Greens weren’t standing in Perth, but it’s hypocritical for the SNP to have a pop at them for doing so. 

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Also if you start just deciding party X won't win this time because look what happened last time, elections start to become a bit pointless. 

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2 minutes ago, Big Fifer said:

Also if you start just deciding party X won't win this time because look what happened last time, elections start to become a bit pointless. 

Only because of FPTP.  If we had a fairer system for elections to Westminster then it wouldn’t be an issue.

 

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The Green Party in England and Wales are actively negotiating with the Lib Dems and Plaid Cymru on maximising the remain/anti Tory vote. Perth looks like an extreme example of where it could be worthwhile.

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27 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

He's got a 21 vote majority out of 52525 in 2017. Do you think the Greens are likely to take votes from the Tories? And he's not telling them anything, he's asking.

I don’t believe the Greens stood in that election either, which makes his chances this time around even tighter. 

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54 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

What's the point of the Greens running in SNP/Tory marginals like Perth?

Democracy

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Only because of FPTP.  If we had a fairer system for elections to Westminster then it wouldn’t be an issue.
 

We don’t. So it is.

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A vote for the Greens in Perth under FPTP is effectively a vote for the Tories.

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The Greens can stand candidates where they like, that is democracy.

If Wishart fails to get re-elected, then he's not convinced enough people to vote for him. That's not The Green Party's fault.

Equally, those that vote Green in that constituency will do so knowing that there's a chance that the Tories will win the seat. 

The biggest issue in all this, is of course that an absolute fucking moron like Murdo Fraser shouldn't be anywhere near parliament.

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