Cowdenbeath v Cove Rangers

[onecowden]

You've highlighted the Championship and League One in Scotland as examples where budgets don't translate to success. These are two leagues where the team with by far the largest budget are currently top of the league.
In all four SPFL leagues at the moment, the team with the largest budget is top of the league. The Championship is probably the only league where the team with clearly the second largest budget isn't in second place at the moment.
I'm sorry but trying to suggest that player budgets are not by far and away the overwhelmingly most important factor in success on the park is utterly illiterate of the facts. the few decent examples that you could come up with to show teams with lower budgets succeeding are drowned by an absolute avalanche of data showing the incredibly close correlation between budgets and performance.

This 100%

[Blue Oktober]

1 hour ago, Gordon EF said:

You've highlighted the Championship and League One in Scotland as examples where budgets don't translate to success. These are two leagues where the team with by far the largest budget are currently top of the league.

In all four SPFL leagues at the moment, the team with the largest budget is top of the league. The Championship is probably the only league where the team with clearly the second largest budget isn't in second place at the moment.

I'm sorry but trying to suggest that player budgets are not by far and away the overwhelmingly most important factor in success on the park is utterly illiterate of the facts. the few decent examples that you could come up with to show teams with lower budgets succeeding are drowned by an absolute avalanche of data showing the incredibly close correlation between budgets and performance.

Excellent post @Gordon EF

[tamthebam]

16 hours ago, Muzza81 said:

Genuinely thought that report was a wind up. Absolutely baffling that a club sanctions a complete illiterate loony to write their reports. 

Why not? Ours does...

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[The Minertaur]

That Cove report :lol: No class in defeat and less so in victory apparently.  Strange club.

They deserved to win though and their midfield and strikers are just a class above most sides in the league.  It speaks volumes that we've conceded 11 league goals in 11 games and 6 have come against Cove.  We just need to forget it and move on.

On a separate note - the hospitality was utterly superb with a decent buffet and plenty beers consumed.  Well worth the money and my work colleagues are all wanting to organise another trip down.  Well done to the club for running a great day.

[marello]

your arguement is based on a snapshot - anyone who thinks that celtic, united and falkirk (who went top only this past saturday) are home and hosed should have a wander doon their local bookies..with exception of celtic who have had no credible competition for years, how many times in past 5 seasons have the club with biggest budget won their league (and restricting arguement to Scotland which I didn't) - ross county last year, certainly not, montrose certainly not, arbroath certainly not etc etc

[SimonLichtie]

1 minute ago, marello said:

your arguement is based on a snapshot - anyone who thinks that celtic, united and falkirk (who went top only this past saturday) are home and hosed should have a wander doon their local bookies..with exception of celtic who have had no credible competition for years, how many times in past 5 seasons have the club with biggest budget won their league (and restricting arguement to Scotland which I didn't) - ross county last year, certainly not, montrose certainly not, arbroath certainly not etc etc

I think without going into exact figures etc. it would be fair comment to say it's highly likely we had the biggest budget when we won League Two, and the second biggest budget when we won League One.

There are of course exceptions to the rule, but if you took the 42 league clubs in Scotland and their positions at the end of each season they would be fairly close to where they 'should' be in terms of outgoings. Also, if a team has the biggest budget in the division their fans, and other fans, should expect them to succeed in being up the top of the division.

[Gordon EF]

2 hours ago, marello said:

your arguement is based on a snapshot - anyone who thinks that celtic, united and falkirk (who went top only this past saturday) are home and hosed should have a wander doon their local bookies..with exception of celtic who have had no credible competition for years, how many times in past 5 seasons have the club with biggest budget won their league (and restricting arguement to Scotland which I didn't) - ross county last year, certainly not, montrose certainly not, arbroath certainly not etc etc

Like I said, there will always be excpetions to 'the rule'. That's the ways statistics work.

Let's for arguments sake restrict it to Scotland. If we took all four leagues over a ten year period and looked at how many times the team with the largest budget won their league, you'd find, without a shadow of a doubt, that they'd tend to win it way more than random chance would dictate.

If you wanted to plot salary budget vs points or final position, you'd also find a correlation that, statistically, is much stronger than random chance would produce.

It really is astounding how often fans of clubs with relatively large budgets will go to any length to try and argue that budgets don't really matter that much. Aye, that's why the guys pumping money into Cove have ensured they have th ebiggest player budget for their respective league for th epast few years. Cos budgets don't matter and they just enjoy flushing money down the drain.

Edited November 4, 2019 by Gordon EF

[Cowden Cowboy]

Like I said, there will always be excpetions to 'the rule'. That's the ways statistics work.
Let's for arguments sake restrict it to Scotland. If we took all four leagues over a ten year period and looked at how many times the team with the largest budget won their league, you'd find, without a shadow of a doubt, that they'd tend to win it way more than random chance would dictate.
If you wanted to plot salary budget vs points or final position, you'd also find a correlation that, statistically, is much stronger than random chance would produce.
It really is astounding how often fans of clubs with relatively large budgets will go to any length to try and argue that budgets don't really matter that much. Aye, that's why the guys pumping money into Cove have ensured they have th ebiggest player budget for their respective league for th epast few years. Cos budgets don't matter and they just enjoy flushing money down the drain.

There is an obviously strong correlation between league position and finance. It is not the only factor of course but over time the clubs with more money tend to have more success. Take Gretna as an example unless you accept Rowan Alexander's view that it was all down to his hard work and talent then they just bought the success they had. Last season Peterhead and Celtic won their leagues with the biggest budgets while in Championship Dundee United were runners up to Ross County who were also significantly bankrolled. Raith I guess had top League 1 budget and were third. None of them were anywhere near the wrong end of the league and few teams with a monetary advantage finish near the foot of their table.

[AndyM]

On 03/11/2019 at 03:24, Neilly said:

What a minter of a football club.  I had to check the official site to make sure that wasn't a wind up.

I hope they die a similar death to Gretna.

The boy who wrote that will have an aneurism when Cove eventually encounter a Premiership side in the cup because with their billy big baws attitude they'll get absolutely destroyed.

Speaking of Gretna it reminds me of when they were on a similar trajectory to Cove and were drawn to play Hibs at Easter Road in the League Cup. All sorts of chat about how the Premiership side would struggle etc . Needless to say Gretna were two goals down and blowing out of their arses having been chasing shadows after 15 minutes. Finished 6-0. 

 

[Toonsers]

1 hour ago, AndyM said:

The boy who wrote that will have an aneurism when Cove eventually encounter a Premiership side in the cup because with their billy big baws attitude they'll get absolutely destroyed.

Speaking of Gretna it reminds me of when they were on a similar trajectory to Cove and were drawn to play Hibs at Easter Road in the League Cup. All sorts of chat about how the Premiership side would struggle etc . Needless to say Gretna were two goals down and blowing out of their arses having been chasing shadows after 15 minutes. Finished 6-0. 

 

And we all know how good a cup side Hibs are after this weekend

[Brazilianlex]

50 minutes ago, Toonsers said:

And we all know how good a cup side Hibs are after this weekend

Probably better than Auchinleck tho

[Toonsers]

49 minutes ago, Brazilianlex said:

Probably better than Auchinleck tho

And Broxburn

[Cowden Cowboy]

On ‎03‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 11:33, The_Pit_Owns said:

I'm quite happy for Megginson to have the goal. 

I don't know if Broxburn's equaliser at Central Park ended up going down as a Todd own goal but that would make it three for the season. 

The official recorded goalscorers for those goals are Nicholas Locke (Broxburn) and Mitch Megginson (Cove)

[Brazilianlex]

1 hour ago, Cowden Cowboy said:

The official recorded goalscorers for those goals are Nicholas Locke (Broxburn) and Mitch Megginson (Cove)

Every striker will claim the goal and every defender will let them so doesn’t clear up who actually put the ball in the net but who cares.

 

[Brazilianlex]

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/sport/football/scottish-football/cove-rangers-fc/win-meant-a-bit-extra-for-scully/

Nearly two years ago and still not over it, poor b*****d   

[HenryHill]

3 minutes ago, Brazilianlex said:

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/sport/football/scottish-football/cove-rangers-fc/win-meant-a-bit-extra-for-scully/

Nearly two years ago and still not over it, poor b*****d   

They are just upset that no one is bothered about them. Have to make up rivalries and grudge matches.

[marello]

League 2 - likely largest budget highlighted

2013–14	Peterhead	Annan Athletic	Rory McAllister (Peterhead)	32
2014–15	Albion Rovers	Queen's Park	Peter Weatherson (Annan Athletic)	22
2015–16	East Fife (possibly Arbroath who finished 9th!)	Elgin City	Nathan Austin (East Fife)	22
2016–17	Arbroath	Forfar Athletic	Shane Sutherland (Elgin City)	18
2017–18	Montrose	Peterhead	David Goodwillie (Clyde)	25
2018–19	Peterhead	Clyde

League 1

Season	Winner	Runner-up	Top scorer
			Player	Goals
2013–14	Rangers	Dunfermline Athletic	Michael Moffat (Ayr United)	26
2014–15	Greenock Morton (possibly Dunfermline?)	Stranraer	Declan McManus (Greenock Morton)	20
2015–16	Dunfermline Athletic	Ayr United	Faissal El Bakhtaoui (Dunfermline Athletic) Rory McAllister (Peterhead)	22
2016–17	Livingston	Alloa Athletic	Andy Ryan (Airdrieonians)	23
2017–18	Ayr United	Raith Rovers	Lawrence Shankland (Ayr United)	26
2018–19	Arbroath (possibly Raith?)	Forfar Athletic	Kevin Nisbet (Raith Rovers)	30

 

Championship

 

2013–14	Dundee	Hamilton Academical	Rory Loy (Falkirk)	20
2014–15	Heart of Midlothian	Hibernian	Jason Cummings (Hibernian)	18
2015–16	Rangers	Falkirk	Martyn Waghorn (Rangers)	20
2016–17	Hibernian	Falkirk	Jason Cummings (Hibernian) Stephen Dobbie (Queen of the South)	19
2017–18	St Mirren	Livingston	Stephen Dobbie (Queen of the South)	18
2018–19	Ross County	Dundee United	Lawrence Shankland (Ayr United)	24

so probably 10 out of 18 give or take but I think that's skewed by Rangers/Hibs/Hearts and I would guess going back further the strike rate is lower

[Gordon EF]

2 hours ago, marello said:

League 2 - likely largest budget highlighted

2013–14	Peterhead	Annan Athletic	Rory McAllister (Peterhead)	32
2014–15	Albion Rovers	Queen's Park	Peter Weatherson (Annan Athletic)	22
2015–16	East Fife (possibly Arbroath who finished 9th!)	Elgin City	Nathan Austin (East Fife)	22
2016–17	Arbroath	Forfar Athletic	Shane Sutherland (Elgin City)	18
2017–18	Montrose	Peterhead	David Goodwillie (Clyde)	25
2018–19	Peterhead	Clyde

League 1

Season	Winner	Runner-up	Top scorer
			Player	Goals
2013–14	Rangers	Dunfermline Athletic	Michael Moffat (Ayr United)	26
2014–15	Greenock Morton (possibly Dunfermline?)	Stranraer	Declan McManus (Greenock Morton)	20
2015–16	Dunfermline Athletic	Ayr United	Faissal El Bakhtaoui (Dunfermline Athletic) Rory McAllister (Peterhead)	22
2016–17	Livingston	Alloa Athletic	Andy Ryan (Airdrieonians)	23
2017–18	Ayr United	Raith Rovers	Lawrence Shankland (Ayr United)	26
2018–19	Arbroath (possibly Raith?)	Forfar Athletic	Kevin Nisbet (Raith Rovers)	30

 

Championship

 

2013–14	Dundee	Hamilton Academical	Rory Loy (Falkirk)	20
2014–15	Heart of Midlothian	Hibernian	Jason Cummings (Hibernian)	18
2015–16	Rangers	Falkirk	Martyn Waghorn (Rangers)	20
2016–17	Hibernian	Falkirk	Jason Cummings (Hibernian) Stephen Dobbie (Queen of the South)	19
2017–18	St Mirren	Livingston	Stephen Dobbie (Queen of the South)	18
2018–19	Ross County	Dundee United	Lawrence Shankland (Ayr United)	24

so probably 10 out of 18 give or take but I think that's skewed by Rangers/Hibs/Hearts and I would guess going back further the strike rate is lower

No Premiership?

[The Minertaur]

12 hours ago, marello said:

so probably 10 out of 18 give or take but I think that's skewed by Rangers/Hibs/Hearts and I would guess going back further the strike rate is lower

But the key thing this season will be that Cove will have a far superior budget to most of the teams in the league.  It's not as if there are 3 or 4 teams with a similar budget - Cove will be by far and away spending the most this season.  That's why you can sign players like Fyvie, Aird etc. 

Your only real spending rivals this season would be Edinburgh City.

[Brazilianlex]

Well done to luc Bollan tonight as he was in the Aberdeen team that rammed Cove Rangers 5-0 tonight.

The fat controller and his lackey John Sheran no doubt would be their usual graceless selves in defeat.