General Election 2019 - AND IT’S LIVE!

[ICTJohnboy]

6 minutes ago, Malky3 said:

Who cares. 

 

I'm all in favour of anything that bypasses Aberdeen.

[O'Kelly Isley III]

I see a majority Tory government introducing compulsory ID for voting as was recently mooted.  It will be the first step in voting restrictions.
Call it fascism or something else but it will be a further step to unfettered abuse of power aimed at making the continuation of that grip on power more likely.
 

If that's what the idiots want, then there's very little the rest of us can do other than try to maximise the turnout in Scotland against this stuff.

Having said that I'm frankly astonished at the levels of reported support for the Tories - if true I can only surmise that there is a large amount of people thinking that once 'Brexit Gets Done' life will trundle on much as before. Maybe still time for some of them to realise that they'll be 'Getting Done'.

[Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier]

31 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

I'm all in favour of anything that bypasses Aberdeen.

Why?

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:

I see a majority Tory government introducing compulsory ID for voting as was recently mooted.  It will be the first step in voting restrictions.

Call it fascism or something else but it will be a further step to unfettered abuse of power aimed at making the continuation of that grip on power more likely.

 

Labour were guilty of abuse of power as well under Blair.  They were the party that introduced 'anti-terrorist laws' which they promptly used to have pensioners arrested at their party conference for heckling.

 

[Antlion]

Unbelievable. The Tory party, which oversaw a referendum on Scotland and one on the EU, is claiming that a vote for anyone else will lead to “divisive” referendums on Scotland and the EU. The Tory party, which has recently been in a coalition with the Lib Dems and a corrupt orgy with flute-playing religious fundamentalists, is claiming that a vote for anyone else will result in a “coalition of chaos”.

The brass neck is almost admirable - or it would be if these lying c***s weren’t poised to destroy more lives. 

[doulikefish]

Rees Mogg been seen by anybody?

[tbsouth]

26 minutes ago, doulikefish said:

Rees Mogg been seen by anybody?

They know he needs to stay out the limelight....a bit like Boris really!!

[Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier]

2 hours ago, doulikefish said:

Rees Mogg been seen by anybody?

He'll be in his vault watching exquisite boys counting his money.

[pandarilla]

We were talking about the M8 and you said you'd have started the upgrade at the east end of it which is Edinburgh.
Now you are talking about the "east of the upgraded section".
Was that deliberate or a misunderstanding between us?

I'm not used to the term 'M8' being used in the correct context. Off-putting m8.

[Guest Jedi]

The difference in proposed public spending is astonishing...Labour-£83 billion, the Tories...er £3 billion. All smoke and mirrors from the Tories, as ever. Rely on essentially a single message 'Get Brexit Done' while then being given reign to squeeze the public sector further for the next 5 years. It says a lot about political discourse in this country that a party with a record of 9 years of austerity, can propose public spending 'increases' which are in the grand scheme of things, buttons, but end up with a majority simply because they will implement Brexit. Of course their sole policy in Scotland is to stop Indy Ref 2, and...well that's about it.

Even their sole policy is dishonest, as when their deal passes it is only the beginning of years more negotiations, and attempts to wriggle out of protections of workers rights, and the environment.

As ever the MSM will give Johnson a free ride though as he is such a prankster.

Edited November 24, 2019 by Jedi

[dorlomin]

8 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

I see a majority Tory government introducing compulsory ID for voting as was recently mooted.  It will be the first step in voting restrictions.

Call it fascism

Voters with photo ID is the norm in most countries. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_Identification_laws

Calling it fascism is infantile wibble.

Like Labours plan to reduce the voting age to 16, its a plan that is adjusting the electorate to their advantage, the normal gerrymandering pish all parties indulge in. Its not facsism. 

This is fascism.

Nacht und Nebel Befel. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nacht_und_Nebel

A government decree to drag people off to death camps with no legal reason needed and their families not notified. 

[pandarilla]

Voters with photo ID is the norm in most countries. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_Identification_laws
Calling it fascism is infantile wibble.
Like Labours plan to reduce the voting age to 16, its a plan that is adjusting the electorate to their advantage, the normal gerrymandering pish all parties indulge in. Its not facsism. 
This is fascism.
Nacht und Nebel Befel. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nacht_und_Nebel
A government decree to drag people off to death camps with no legal reason needed and their families not notified. 

There is no problem with voter fraud though. It's a red herring.

[NotThePars]

It's easy to forget how wild that period was. It almost felt like the government response to anything, like I don't know, late running trains between about 1999 and 2005ish was "well what if we built a giant DNA database of everyone?"

*Takes a puff on a massive joint* and then we all willingly uploaded our personal data into the Facebook algorithm

[Granny Danger]

1 hour ago, dorlomin said:

Voters with photo ID is the norm in most countries. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_Identification_laws

Calling it fascism is infantile wibble.

Like Labours plan to reduce the voting age to 16, its a plan that is adjusting the electorate to their advantage, the normal gerrymandering pish all parties indulge in. Its not facsism. 

This is fascism.

Nacht und Nebel Befel. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nacht_und_Nebel

A government decree to drag people off to death camps with no legal reason needed and their families not notified. 

Not sure if you’re too thick to understand the point or if you’re deliberately misrepresenting it.

The very unsubtle and misleading editing of my post suggests the latter.

 

[Guest Jedi]

In fairness, whether you agree with it or not, at least Labour's plans are 'costed'. with 12 new tax areas, including income tax, tax on dividends, going after tax evasion and multinationals etc

Meanwhile, the Tories get away with saying that they won't raise income tax, NI, or VAT. So where are the nurses and police coming from? They will clearly be cutting budgets elsewhere (again). If we had an unbiased media they would also be pursing Johnson on the Brexit black hole, and how much it will cost everyone (but they won't).

Surely with the Lib Dems in disarray now, Labour must have a chance in England to start picking up the 'Remain' vote?

Expect the Tories to ramp up the 'coalition of chaos' rhetoric between Labour and the SNP to appeal to the gammon vote this week.

[Antlion]

11 minutes ago, Jedi said:

In fairness, whether you agree with it or not, at least Labour's plans are 'costed'. with 12 new tax areas, including income tax, tax on dividends, going after tax evasion and multinationals etc

Meanwhile, the Tories get away with saying that they won't raise income tax, NI, or VAT. So where are the nurses and police coming from? They will clearly be cutting budgets elsewhere (again). If we had an unbiased media they would also be pursing Johnson on the Brexit black hole, and how much it will cost everyone (but they won't).

Surely with the Lib Dems in disarray now, Labour must have a chance in England to start picking up the 'Remain' vote?

Expect the Tories to ramp up the 'coalition of chaos' rhetoric between Labour and the SNP to appeal to the gammon vote this week.

And don’t expect the hypocrisy of Johnson saying this whilst still having Arlene Foster’s pubes plastered around his chops to be pointed out by anyone in the media.

Edited November 24, 2019 by Antlion

[Malky3]

2 hours ago, dorlomin said:

This is fascism.

Nacht und Nebel Befel. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nacht_und_Nebel

A government decree to drag people off to death camps with no legal reason needed and their families not notified. 

Hmm, yes, but it's also a mark of Socialist and Communist governments too. 

See Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong and the Khmer Rouge. 

The problem is extremist and authoritarian politics, and it's not just a left or a right problem. 

 

[Malky3]

1 hour ago, Jedi said:

In fairness, whether you agree with it or not, at least Labour's plans are 'costed'. with 12 new tax areas, including income tax, tax on dividends, going after tax evasion and multinationals etc

Meanwhile, the Tories get away with saying that they won't raise income tax, NI, or VAT. So where are the nurses and police coming from? They will clearly be cutting budgets elsewhere (again). If we had an unbiased media they would also be pursing Johnson on the Brexit black hole, and how much it will cost everyone (but they won't).

Surely with the Lib Dems in disarray now, Labour must have a chance in England to start picking up the 'Remain' vote?

Expect the Tories to ramp up the 'coalition of chaos' rhetoric between Labour and the SNP to appeal to the gammon vote this week.

From their decision to reverse the Corporation Tax cuts that they had been planning. 

BTW I don't think any political party can accurately claim anything is fully costed. The SNP claimed that with their White Paper in 2014 just before the oil tax revenues they were so dependent on fell through the floor. The SNP also discovered that when you raise taxes - as they did with the Tartan Tax - that you don't always raise as much as you predict in revenue. 

 

[strichener]

25 minutes ago, Malky3 said:

From their decision to reverse the Corporation Tax cuts that they had been planning. 

BTW I don't think any political party can accurately claim anything is fully costed. The SNP claimed that with their White Paper in 2014 just before the oil tax revenues they were so dependent on fell through the floor. The SNP also discovered that when you raise taxes - as they did with the Tartan Tax - that you don't always raise as much as you predict in revenue. 

 

The SNP didn't predict the income tax revenue, it was the Scottish Fiscal Commission.

[Malky3]

6 minutes ago, strichener said:

The SNP didn't predict the income tax revenue, it was the Scottish Fiscal Commission.

True, but that wasn't the point I was making. 

You know as I do that tax revenues aren't the exact science that political parties like to have us believe at times like now. The Conservatives a few weeks ago were saying that cutting Corporation Tax would generate more revenue, then they decided they would make pledges that cost money and found that by reversing their decision would allow them to state that the decision meant they now have cash to spend. 

In the same vein the Labour Party are pledging to raise taxes on multinational businesses who have never paid the correct amount of tax in any country they have operated in, and he's using the predicted revenue to cost some really elaborate promises. They've also been rather deceitful in their claim that only the top 5% of earners in the country will be affected by tax hikes as it's since emerged that they are scrapping the marriage tax allowance as well. 

Anyone being sucked in by these pledges really needs to beware of politicians who never tell the truth. 

 

Edited November 24, 2019 by Malky3