General Election 2019 - AND IT’S LIVE!

[welshbairn]

My favourites are Crossrail 2 and Brandenburg Airport. Restoring the Houses of Parliament will make Holyrood look like building a new Lidl.

[BawWatchin]

1 hour ago, Pet Jeden said:

Waverley Line - How late? How much over budget?

I'd hazard a bet that it wasn't quite as much as HS2 is going to be aaaaand it's in Scotland.

1 hour ago, Pet Jeden said:

Scottish Parliament - How Late? How much over budget?

1 hour ago, Pet Jeden said:

Queensferry  Crossing - Not very late but immediate major remedial work so really over budget?

But I thought we had the UK Government to thank for delivering on the Queensferry Crossing? They were going to slap a big union jack on it and everything....

1 hour ago, Pet Jeden said:

Edin Sick Kids - Will it ever open?

Presumably when it's safe enough to make sick kids better, rather than sicker?
I know if Labour were in Government they would open it up right away to look good at the time, putting the safety of the kids to the side....

[BawWatchin]

12 minutes ago, alta-pete said:

But would I trust them to run the whole economy? Soz but naw.

But you'll trust those sociopaths south of the border to continue running up deficits on Scotlands behalf, because they can't budget their own spending when it comes to Scotland.

[Malky3]

14 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

Try driving from Accrington to Oldham using the M66, M62, A62M.

A 30 mile journey that very often takes over 1 hour to complete depending on the time of day.

You don't realise how lucky you are to be resident in Scotland, where you're free to enjoy all the benefits that only an enlightened SNP administration can provide.

I don't know why you think it's better here. 

28.5 Miles is the distance I travel each way for work currently. The journey from Glasgow to Bathgate at 6am takes around 45 - 50 minutes currently with the majority of the problems occurring at Newhouse where four lanes of traffic tries to squeeze into two lanes right at the start of the zone in Central Scotland which houses some of our biggest Regional Distribution Centres. I have no idea why that stretch of road wasn't upgraded or prioritised since that has long been the area with the biggest traffic problems particularly when it gets to the winter months. 

Going back the other way is just as problematic. The stretch from Bathgate to Newhouse is dangerous as drivers overtake slow moving lorries meaning there is a fair element of hard braking going on over that stretch. From Newhouse to Baillieston the road is like a dream but then you have a choice, join the slow moving queue to get off the M8, round the roundabout, and onto the M73 / M74 for a faster drive that misses the centre of Glasgow, or stick to the M8 where you are 100% certain to hit traffic from around the old Provan Gasworks area till you get past the on ramp for the M77 at the other side of the Kingston Bridge. Travel time on those route - M73/M74 around 50 minutes - 1 hour. On the M8 around 70 minutes to around 90 particularly if Rangers are at home. 

Mrs Malky's family are from Midlothian too and I can confirm that the road to the east along the M8 is just as horrific if not worse, particularly at Hermiston Gait where I'm sure someone was having a laugh when they designed the roads from Sighthill and the Bypass down to the M8. 

I've no idea why someone from Lancashire, or why someone from Aberdeen would be celebrating the "success" of the M8 project when they don't have to endure it. Or why someone from Aberdeen would claim my view on the M8 is worthless when I would never dream of trying to comment on effectiveness of the A9 or on the Aberdeen Bypass. 

In the Central Belt I would say that the best project that was completed under the SNP has been the M74 extension. That diverted some of the traffic away from Glasgow Centre and the most congested part of the M8. Unfortunately, whomever planned it, and I think it was Jack McConnells Government, decided that it would be a good idea to have the off ramps from the M8 and the M74 bottleneck at the start of the M77 which is the source of most of the congestion these days. 

 

[BFTD]

I wish Malksoft would make up his mind if the people laughing at him are clapping seals or screeching chimps. I'm starting to think he isn't a proper zoologist at all.

[carpetmonster]

I wish Malksoft would make up his mind if the people laughing at him are clapping seals or screeching chimps. I'm starting to think he isn't a proper zoologist at all.

Terry Nutbag.

[BawWatchin]

5 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

The Edinburgh tram thing wasn't the SNP either.

The SNP I am sure made an announcement that snagging works were to be paid for by the contractor.

By the time the SNP had stepped in, hundreds of millions had already been sold to contractors. So even although the tram idea wasn't popular, cancelling it at that stage would have been percieved as even more unpopular considering how much investment had already been made into the project under the previous incubents.

Labour knew they were losing hold of control, they knew this would be publicly unpopular. So they plodded on with it hoping that it would land a hard kick in the teeth for when the SNP took over.

Edited November 24, 2019 by BawWatchin

[Pet Jeden]

17 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

The Edinburgh tram thing wasn't the SNP either.

The SNP I am sure made an announcement that snagging works were to be paid for by the contractor.

I have a vague memory SNP coming into coalition control of Edin Council but saying that the previous (Lab/Lib?) council had made the decision so they would need to just carry on. As to how you split the blame at the end...? Think SNP Holyrood stood firm though and mostly left the council to deal with their own shitty cost mess.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Lol

He was doing so well till he said Jo Swindon.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Labour's stance on Brexit is a fucking open goal for the Tories. It's astonishing to believe that apparently intelligent people in the Labour party have come up with a 'let's not take a real decision on Brexit' policy.
With the LibDems reeling, Labour had the chance to become the party of Remain and effectively scoop up millions of votes. Not only that, they had the chance to go along with how the majority of their members feel. 
But they won't. They're terrified by the single statistic that a majority of the constituencies apparently voted 'leave', and they've been blinded by this since day one. 
The Mumbleclown has given us a Tory majority that will scar the country for years, and in the process he's killed off the Labour party as a viable choice for people that are not attracted to extreme socialism. 
What a fucking shambles. 

This.

Too fucking scared of racist gammons to challenge them.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Anyone who pays the slightest bit of attention to British politics knows what the Labour party position is on brexit.

Now if you're talking about 'man on the street' that reads the sun then who the f**k knows.

Brexit is too complicated for simple binary decisions - unless you're a little england leave voter.

Unfortunately the man on the street appears to be your average voter. It's frightening how little many people really know about politics.

Sacha Baron Cohen has it spot on.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Yes. Very clear. Most of the party wants to remain. They will do whatever is necessary to avoid leaving (properly) but they need to lie about that to avoid sounding anti-democratic and to avoid losing too many marginals north of Watford.
tbf, short of nationalising Greggs and promising free fudge doughnuts for all, they've really thrown the kitchen sink at this election with populist policies.

You and I are the opposite sides of the EU debate - I think we might agree that Labour's stance has been one of trying to sit on the fucking fence not provoking anyone whilst systematically provoking everyone.

[Baxter Parp]

32 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

I have a vague memory SNP coming into coalition control of Edin Council but saying that the previous (Lab/Lib?) council had made the decision so they would need to just carry on. As to how you split the blame at the end...? Think SNP Holyrood stood firm though and mostly left the council to deal with their own shitty cost mess.

The SNP minority government wanted to cancel it but Holyrood voted to keep it going so you have the memory of a fucking moron.

[oldbitterandgrumpy]

4 hours ago, MixuFixit said:

I don't understand how you could drive from Glasgow to Edinburgh now compared to 5 years ago and say the SNP weren't good at infrastructure projects.

Approaching Glasgow on the M8 from the east, the inside lane after Eurocentral is a bit of a lottery if you're not a local, but, aye, it's an improvement I suppose. 

[Malky3]

1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

It's a bit odd to blame any government for individual drivers speeding and tailgating.

I thought you were all about personal responsibility?

Absolutely and the quality of driving is shocking. 

However the fact that they failed to upgrade the stretch of motorway between Livingston and Newhouse means that you've got huge RDC's for Tesco, Aldi, The Co-operative, Bartlett Potatoes, SiG, Brakes, Schuh and Amazon , as well as two Aggregate Centres, Malcolms, DHL, Royal Mail, JBT and xpo logistics. all feeding into a two lane stretch of the motorway. Then there are the various crane companies that travel down that road on the way to - I presume - Grangemouth. 

Maybe they just didn't have the money to complete the section, but honestly I'd have gone from the East first. They haven't resolved anything with the upgrade the way it is, that they couldn't have fixed by sorting out the on and off ramps at Coatbridge on the old road. 

 

Edited November 24, 2019 by Malky3

[Malky3]

44 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

You'd have gone from the side with substantially fewer people living and working there?

Hmmm. I'm going to say I'm glad you weren't making the decisions. 

Go on then. How many people live and work in the upgraded section compared to those who live and work to the east of the upgraded section? 

[Malky3]

The source is the Daily Mail but they say that a confidential survey of Labour Party Candidates contains multiple complaints about how Corbyn is going down on the doorstep. 

Quote

In response to the survey question ‘what do you think we could be doing to improve the campaign?’, one candidate replied bluntly: ‘Change our leader.’

Mr Corbyn’s office last night insisted only one person had replied that way. But another candidate denied that, adding that both new candidates and MPs bidding for re-election were saying the same thing.

One candidate defending a safe Labour seat told The Mail on Sunday: ‘They asked us what are the top three issues coming up on the doorstep and I replied, “Corbyn.” ’

Another said: ‘It’s getting so bad with Corbyn’s reputation that one voter just told me that we’d be better off with Prince Andrew as leader.’

 

[ICTJohnboy]

3 hours ago, Malky3 said:

 

Maybe they just didn't have the money to complete the section, but honestly I'd have gone from the East first. They haven't resolved anything with the upgrade the way it is, that they couldn't have fixed by sorting out the on and off ramps at Coatbridge on the old road. 

 

 

Are the problems connected with the on/off ramps at Coatbridge perhaps some kind of an attempt to prevent the uncouth residents of that town from joining the motorway?

[Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier]

5 hours ago, Malky3 said:

I don't know why you think it's better here. 

28.5 Miles is the distance I travel each way for work currently. The journey from Glasgow to Bathgate at 6am takes around 45 - 50 minutes currently with the majority of the problems occurring at Newhouse where four lanes of traffic tries to squeeze into two lanes right at the start of the zone in Central Scotland which houses some of our biggest Regional Distribution Centres. I have no idea why that stretch of road wasn't upgraded or prioritised since that has long been the area with the biggest traffic problems particularly when it gets to the winter months. 

Going back the other way is just as problematic. The stretch from Bathgate to Newhouse is dangerous as drivers overtake slow moving lorries meaning there is a fair element of hard braking going on over that stretch. From Newhouse to Baillieston the road is like a dream but then you have a choice, join the slow moving queue to get off the M8, round the roundabout, and onto the M73 / M74 for a faster drive that misses the centre of Glasgow, or stick to the M8 where you are 100% certain to hit traffic from around the old Provan Gasworks area till you get past the on ramp for the M77 at the other side of the Kingston Bridge. Travel time on those route - M73/M74 around 50 minutes - 1 hour. On the M8 around 70 minutes to around 90 particularly if Rangers are at home. 

Mrs Malky's family are from Midlothian too and I can confirm that the road to the east along the M8 is just as horrific if not worse, particularly at Hermiston Gait where I'm sure someone was having a laugh when they designed the roads from Sighthill and the Bypass down to the M8. 

I've no idea why someone from Lancashire, or why someone from Aberdeen would be celebrating the "success" of the M8 project when they don't have to endure it. Or why someone from Aberdeen would claim my view on the M8 is worthless when I would never dream of trying to comment on effectiveness of the A9 or on the Aberdeen Bypass. 

In the Central Belt I would say that the best project that was completed under the SNP has been the M74 extension. That diverted some of the traffic away from Glasgow Centre and the most congested part of the M8. Unfortunately, whomever planned it, and I think it was Jack McConnells Government, decided that it would be a good idea to have the off ramps from the M8 and the M74 bottleneck at the start of the M77 which is the source of most of the congestion these days. 

 

Get it right. It isn't the Aberdeen Bypass. It's called Aberdeen Western Peripheral Route. Idiot.

[Baxter Parp]

2 hours ago, oaksoft said:

No need for this FFS. He's not exactly digging his heels in when shown to be wrong so tone it down.

Pat is a proven and unashamed fucking moron, the need is palpable.