General Election 2019 - AND IT’S LIVE!

[The_Kincardine]

6 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

So which mouth-breather am I ignoring tonight?

Seems to be quite few posts - one or more?

Pick me!!!!

[Malky3]

1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

So which mouth-breather am I ignoring tonight?

Seems to be quite few posts - one or more?

Start with yourself I guess. You're posts are utterly pointless. Then go with JMDP the troll who is surely going to be banned after his latest attempt. 

[BawWatchin]

7 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:

That is one scary quote but one which is probably a fair summary of the Natters.

Scary for you, because you hold this unbreakable belief that Scotland is too genetically inferior to run it's own affairs and is better off beinng dictated to by the genetically superior Englanders.

That's the real scary thing about all of this.

[JMDP]

8 hours ago, Malky3 said:

Start with yourself I guess. You're posts are utterly pointless. Then go with JMDP the troll who is surely going to be banned after his latest attempt. 

Still not answering any questions? I'll give you another go - are you happy with supporting a racist, homophobic misogynist?

Would you vote for him if you were in Uxbridge?

Your lies and assertions are laughable. Just an intellectually dishonest, disinformation troll. 

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

53 minutes ago, JMDP said:

Still not answering any questions? I'll give you another go - are you happy with supporting a racist, homophobic misogynist?

Would you vote for him if you were in Uxbridge?

 

I think that these questions are very easily answered by stating the fact that Johnson is obviously unsuitable for high office.  In normal times, it would be laughable to suggest that somebody as blatantly ignorant and incompetent as Johnson could possible be PM, regardless of which party he represented.

But we don't live in normal times, and that's not what this election is about. This election is about nothing more than ideology and identity politics. 

If Johnson was murdering schoolchildren and raping nuns, people would still vote for his party (and by extension, him as PM) because the Tories represent an ideology that appeals to them.

On Thursday, the Tories will form a majority government on a mandate given to them by probably no more than 35% of the total UK electorate......the 35% who want Brexit, hate immigrants, would love to see gay rights abolished and are desperate to have the death penalty re-instated (other right-wing tropes are available). 

That's where we are. The question regarding Johnson being morally fit to hold high office doesn't even come into it. 

Edited December 9, 2019 by Bob Mahelp

[BawWatchin]

Victoria struggling to hold back her anti-SNP bias on  her show this morning. Keeps butting in when  the SNP guy is trying to answer questions, but doesn't butt in at all with any of the others.

[Granny Danger]

20 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

I think that these questions are very easily answered by stating the fact that Johnson is obviously unsuitable for high office.  In normal times, it would be laughable to suggest that somebody as blatantly ignorant and incompetent as Johnson could possible be PM, regardless of which party he represented.

But we don't live in normal times, and that's not what this election is about. This election is about nothing more than ideology and identity politics. 

If Johnson was murdering schoolchildren and raping nuns, people would still vote for his party (and by extension, him as PM) because the Tories represent an ideology that appeals to them.

On Thursday, the Tories will form a majority government on a mandate given to them by probably no more than 35% of the total UK electorate......the 35% who want Brexit, hate immigrants, would love to see gay rights abolished and are desperate to have the death penalty re-instated (other right-wing tropes are available). 

That's where we are. The question regarding Johnson being morally fit to hold high office doesn't even come into it. 

But it’s not trope like is it?  It is really where we are as a country.

I grew up in an age where racism and homophobia were rife and challenging them was sometimes difficult but the hard won progress is dissipating.

What is bizarre is that the generation who lived through the war, having experienced the fight against fascism,  were very wary of extreme right wing politics.  Yet the generation or two following them are quite supportive, or at least indifferent.

It seems that we learn so little from history.

[JMDP]

1 hour ago, Bob Mahelp said:

I think that these questions are very easily answered by stating the fact that Johnson is obviously unsuitable for high office.  In normal times, it would be laughable to suggest that somebody as blatantly ignorant and incompetent as Johnson could possible be PM, regardless of which party he represented.

But we don't live in normal times, and that's not what this election is about. This election is about nothing more than ideology and identity politics. 

If Johnson was murdering schoolchildren and raping nuns, people would still vote for his party (and by extension, him as PM) because the Tories represent an ideology that appeals to them.

On Thursday, the Tories will form a majority government on a mandate given to them by probably no more than 35% of the total UK electorate......the 35% who want Brexit, hate immigrants, would love to see gay rights abolished and are desperate to have the death penalty re-instated (other right-wing tropes are available). 

That's where we are. The question regarding Johnson being morally fit to hold high office doesn't even come into it. 

I get your point but it really does come into it. It is part of the larger point of responsibility for your actions - so many tory voters see these positions as distant from their vote that they can compartmentalise it and separate from it.

It needs to be asked of them if they support these ideas as their vote supports them. You can't vote tory and distance yourself from homophobia, racism, misogyny and austerity. 

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

Just now, JMDP said:

I get your point but it really does come into it. It is part of the larger point of responsibility for your actions - so many tory voters see these positions as distant from their vote that they can compartmentalise it and separate from it.

It needs to be asked of them if they support these ideas as their vote supports them. You can't vote tory and distance yourself from homophobia, racism, misogyny and austerity. 

Snowflake issues.

Many of the people who'll vote Tory this week care absolutely nothing about these things (see Danny's post above). 

The Tories have used right-wing populism to appeal in a large part to the lowest common denominator. It's all about identity politics, and the Tory machine is exploiting this ruthlessly.

[JMDP]

Just now, Bob Mahelp said:

Snowflake issues.

Many of the people who'll vote Tory this week care absolutely nothing about these things (see Danny's post above). 

The Tories have used right-wing populism to appeal in a large part to the lowest common denominator. It's all about identity politics, and the Tory machine is exploiting this ruthlessly.

Again, I understand what you're saying. As a collective, you are right. Speak to them one to one and personally they don't associate themselves with it.

I lived in Johnson's constituency for years. Talking one to one with people about these issues, they do care. 

Also, it is always important to call out these issues, no matter the political ramifications. 

[dirty dingus]

2 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

Snowflake issues.

Many of the people who'll vote Tory this week care absolutely nothing about these things (see Danny's post above). 

The Tories have used right-wing populism to appeal in a large part to the lowest common denominator. It's all about identity politics, and the Tory machine is exploiting this ruthlessly.

shit like this

[BFTD]

What the f**k does that even mean?

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

The thing that keeps on popping into my head is that over the years....and certainly when he was Mayor of London.....Johnson has no real history of being a raging far-right nutter when he's had any kind of power. He's traditionally been on the 'liberal' side of the Tory party (whatever that means).

I realise that he bends with the wind and will always follow the prevailing direction of travel, but there is the suspicion that he's playing a part with all this garbage that he comes out with.  It's designed to get him into power, and nothing else. 

I might be wrong, but given his record of speak first then think later, I do wonder if many of those who think that he's going to satisfy all their prejudices, are going to be sadly disappointed. 

 

 

[welshbairn]

12 minutes ago, BigFatTabbyDave said:

What the f**k does that even mean?

Towards the end of this clip. Imagine being able to think that the whole of Europe is our own country, and we could travel, work, study and settle where we like. And then throwing it away because ...... errr.... can't remember...something to do with kippers?

 

[D Angelo Barksdale]

21 minutes ago, BigFatTabbyDave said:

What the f**k does that even mean?

It means he's trying to capture the votes of those who feel the Tory party aren't racist enough.

[BFTD]

That really is about it, isn't it. He's just listened to enough guff from xenophobes that he knows the right phrases to say in order to get their support. Truth and consequences are irrelevant.

As far as him actually following through with the rhetoric, I think he'll do whatever's necessary to maintain support. I don't think there's a shred of genuine belief in that man's mind, other than that he deserves power and the trappings that go with it. There's plenty of that type around, but the really worrying thing is that there are so many people who don't care and will vote for him regardless, so long as he tells them the right lies.

Oh well. Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out, I suppose.

[Malky3]

2 hours ago, Bob Mahelp said:

I think that these questions are very easily answered by stating the fact that Johnson is obviously unsuitable for high office.  In normal times, it would be laughable to suggest that somebody as blatantly ignorant and incompetent as Johnson could possible be PM, regardless of which party he represented.

But we don't live in normal times, and that's not what this election is about. This election is about nothing more than ideology and identity politics. 

If Johnson was murdering schoolchildren and raping nuns, people would still vote for his party (and by extension, him as PM) because the Tories represent an ideology that appeals to them.

On Thursday, the Tories will form a majority government on a mandate given to them by probably no more than 35% of the total UK electorate......the 35% who want Brexit, hate immigrants, would love to see gay rights abolished and are desperate to have the death penalty re-instated (other right-wing tropes are available). 

That's where we are. The question regarding Johnson being morally fit to hold high office doesn't even come into it. 

Dear oh dear, this is hyperbolic shite. 

I do not hate immigrants. I have absolutely no wish to abolish gay rights and I have zero interest whatsoever in bringing back the death penalty. That kind of nonsense does you no credit at all! I will also be voting Conservative on Thursday. 

None of the leadership candidates are morally fit to hold high office so it does come down to party politics for me and the one party whos policies I feel most aligned to are the Conservatives. 

 

 

 

[BFTD]

It does make you wonder how many folk scoffed that their vote for the Nationalist Socialist party didn't mean that they had any ill feeling towards the Jews.

/Godwin

[Malky3]

2 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

But it’s not trope like is it?  It is really where we are as a country.

I grew up in an age where racism and homophobia were rife and challenging them was sometimes difficult but the hard won progress is dissipating.

What is bizarre is that the generation who lived through the war, having experienced the fight against fascism,  were very wary of extreme right wing politics.  Yet the generation or two following them are quite supportive, or at least indifferent.

It seems that we learn so little from history.

First off I disagree that the Conservative Party are extreme in any way shape or form. 

Secondly I think there are lessons being learned from history - just perhaps not ones that fit with your politics. Take Corbyn for example. Most of us have seen the Socialism and Communism in action across a number of countries in the world. We know it doesn't work. Freedoms are removed, democracy is damaged, and the one most common outcome is that everyone races to the bottom in those societies except those who are corrupt enough to win favour with the regimes. We have had politicians who were pacifists and apologists for those committing atrocities and we know that seldom ends well too. We also know what happens when the democratic will of the people is ignored. 

What you are doing is attempting to push Johnson and the Conservative Party into the same mould as Nazi Germany, but if you knew your history you'd know that the ideologies of both are miles apart. 

[speckled tangerine]

"We also know what happens when the democratic will of the people is ignored."