General Election 2019 - AND IT’S LIVE!

[johnnydun]

1 hour ago, Tarmo Kink said:

 

Thought you were voting Tory, Johnny?

 

Wash your fucking mouth out.

[johnnydun]

15 minutes ago, Malky3 said:

2011 - the SNP got 45.4% of the constituency vote, and 44% of the regional votes. 

2015 - the SNP did get 50%

2016 - the SNP got 46.5% of the constituency vote and 41.7% of the regional vote. 

You shouldn't be making up figures Johnnydun. It's far too easy to check. 

 

So not "NEVER" then?

Thanks for walking into that one.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

c***s fail to turn up again.

They really are a fucking shower of shitebags.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-tories-fail-turn-up-21053174

[Malky3]

19 minutes ago, johnnydun said:

So not "NEVER" then?

Thanks for walking into that one.

Erm - 50% isn't a majority. It's a draw. It's the best result the SNP ever recorded with one of the lowest turnouts ever in an election in Scotland. 

Every single opinion poll shows Scots don't want independence. They don't want a second referendum. They don't even want an SNP government. If only one of the opposition parties in Scotland had a semi competent leader the SNP would be wiped out. 

[pandarilla]

Erm - 50% isn't a majority. It's a draw. It's the best result the SNP ever recorded with one of the lowest turnouts ever in an election in Scotland. 
Every single opinion poll shows Scots don't want independence. They don't want a second referendum. They don't even want an SNP government. If only one of the opposition parties in Scotland had a semi competent leader the SNP would be wiped out. 

You are a true oxygen thief on here mate. A draw? Give it up.

[Malky3]

10 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

c***s fail to turn up again.

They really are a fucking shower of shitebags.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-tories-fail-turn-up-21053174

To be fair you can't blame them. Channel 4 have been ridiculous with their coverage of the election so far - from their hyperbole shite about selling the NHS to the ice sculpture and huff taking cause ONLY Michael Gove turned up for the debate. 

The Tories are miles ahead in all the opinion polls. Oncourse for a huge majority and with all the polls showing that Swinson loses votes every time she goes on TV Johnson and Co were far better off out of it. 

I find politics quite interesting usually but ever since the first debates on TV with Clegg, Brown and Cameron they've become so trashy, so frequent and so dull that once you've watched the first couple there's no point in watching the same re-hashed points over and over again. All these shows do is give politicians a narcissistic ego  boost that frankly most of them could well do without. 

[Malky3]

1 minute ago, pandarilla said:

5 minutes ago, Malky3 said:

Erm - 50% isn't a majority. It's a draw. It's the best result the SNP ever recorded with one of the lowest turnouts ever in an election in Scotland. 
Every single opinion poll shows Scots don't want independence. They don't want a second referendum. They don't even want an SNP government. If only one of the opposition parties in Scotland had a semi competent leader the SNP would be wiped out. 

You are a true oxygen thief on here mate. A draw? Give it up.

Erm yes. 50% for, also means 50% against. That would be a draw. There has NEVER been a majority for Scottish Independence at any point in this country since the Act of Union in 1707. 

[Sir Tarmo Kink]

I'm still not unconvinced that Tarmo Kink isn't previously banned user BarraJag. 

Lies

[Sir Tarmo Kink]

To be fair you can't blame them. Channel 4 have been ridiculous with their coverage of the election so far - from their hyperbole shite about selling the NHS to the ice sculpture and huff taking cause ONLY Michael Gove turned up for the debate. 
The Tories are miles ahead in all the opinion polls. Oncourse for a huge majority and with all the polls showing that Swinson loses votes every time she goes on TV Johnson and Co were far better off out of it. 
I find politics quite interesting usually but ever since the first debates on TV with Clegg, Brown and Cameron they've become so trashy, so frequent and so dull that once you've watched the first couple there's no point in watching the same re-hashed points over and over again. All these shows do is give politicians a narcissistic ego  boost that frankly most of them could well do without. 

Debates are shite now. Just constant talking over each other, refusal to answer hard questions, usually a biased moderator and they don’t usually change any opinions as politics has become very tribal and loyalist.

[Malky3]

Just now, Tarmo Kink said:

 

Debates are shite now. Just constant talking over each other, refusal to answer hard questions, usually a biased moderator and they don’t usually change any opinions as politics has become very tribal and loyalist.

 

Totally agree Tarmo. Putting them all on stage at the same time makes for disastrous TV.  The BBC did the best job with their Question TIme special when Corbyn and Johnson each had half the show to answer questions from the audience. That worked OK. The rest of them have been totally unwatchable. 

[Sir Tarmo Kink]

Totally agree Tarmo. Putting them all on stage at the same time makes for disastrous TV.  The BBC did the best job with their Question TIme special when Corbyn and Johnson each had half the show to answer questions from the audience. That worked OK. The rest of them have been totally unwatchable. 

Malky. You are a great poster. Don’t let them nats get you down. Back Boris until the end.

[lichtgilphead]

19 minutes ago, Malky3 said:

Erm yes. 50% for, also means 50% against. That would be a draw. There has NEVER been a majority for Scottish Independence at any point in this country since the Act of Union in 1707. 

You've forgotten that other parties support independence, you moron.

SNP vote in 2015 = 1,454,436 (49.97%)

Scottish Green vote in 2015  = 39,205 (1.35%)

Total = 1,493,641 (51.32%)

Total Vote = 2,910,465 (100.00%)

Obviously, this majority for independence does not include Labour & LibDems (and the handful of tories) that will vote Yes in indyref 2.

Edited December 8, 2019 by lichtgilphead
incorrect percentage rounding

[tbsouth]

29 minutes ago, Malky3 said:

Erm - 50% isn't a majority. It's a draw. It's the best result the SNP ever recorded with one of the lowest turnouts ever in an election in Scotland. 

Every single opinion poll shows Scots don't want independence. They don't want a second referendum. They don't even want an SNP government. If only one of the opposition parties in Scotland had a semi competent leader the SNP would be wiped out. 

The old everyone wants them out......but all the rest are shit.....meaning i am voting Tory but don't want to say it.

[BawWatchin]

40 minutes ago, Malky3 said:

Erm - 50% isn't a majority. It's a draw. It's the best result the SNP ever recorded with one of the lowest turnouts ever in an election in Scotland. 

Every single opinion poll shows Scots don't want independence. They don't want a second referendum. They don't even want an SNP government. If only one of the opposition parties in Scotland had a semi competent leader the SNP would be wiped out. 

50% is only a draw when you're up against 1 other competitor on 50%. If you're up against 3-4 other competitors, in which none of them can come anywhere near 50%, then it's not a "draw". It's a landslide victory.

[BawWatchin]

38 minutes ago, Malky3 said:

To be fair you can't blame them. Channel 4 have been ridiculous with their coverage of the election so far - from their hyperbole shite about selling the NHS to the ice sculpture and huff taking cause ONLY Michael Gove turned up for the debate. 

The Tories are miles ahead in all the opinion polls. Oncourse for a huge majority and with all the polls showing that Swinson loses votes every time she goes on TV Johnson and Co were far better off out of it. 

I find politics quite interesting usually but ever since the first debates on TV with Clegg, Brown and Cameron they've become so trashy, so frequent and so dull that once you've watched the first couple there's no point in watching the same re-hashed points over and over again. All these shows do is give politicians a narcissistic ego  boost that frankly most of them could well do without. 

 

33 minutes ago, Tarmo Kink said:

Debates are shite now. Just constant talking over each other, refusal to answer hard questions, usually a biased moderator and they don’t usually change any opinions as politics has become very tribal and loyalist.

 

 

30 minutes ago, Malky3 said:

Totally agree Tarmo. Putting them all on stage at the same time makes for disastrous TV.  The BBC did the best job with their Question TIme special when Corbyn and Johnson each had half the show to answer questions from the audience. That worked OK. The rest of them have been totally unwatchable. 

 

29 minutes ago, Tarmo Kink said:

Malky. You are a great poster. Don’t let them nats get you down. Back Boris until the end.

 

[Malky3]

4 minutes ago, BawWatchin said:

50% is only a draw when you're up against 1 other competitor on 50%. If you're up against 3-4 other competitors, in which none of them can come anywhere near 50%, then it's not a "draw". It's a landslide victory.

Not for Independence it wasn't! As I keep saying there has never been a majority for Independence in Scotland. 

In the 2015 General Election the SNP dropped their desire for Independence instead campaigning for Home Rule and the implementation of the recommendations from the Smith Commission. Those voting for the SNP in the 2015 General Election were not voting for Independence. 

 

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Securing home rule – SNP MPs will demand that the proposals of the Smith commission are delivered in full and as quickly as possible, but the manifesto also states that Smith did not go far enough to honour the promises made during the referendum. The SNP will seek a phased transition to full financial responsibility, and in the meantime devolution of powers over employment policy, welfare, business taxes, national insurance and equality policy.

 

Edited December 8, 2019 by Malky3

[BawWatchin]

2 minutes ago, Malky3 said:

Not for Independence it wasn't! As I keep saying there has never been a majority for Independence in Scotland. 

In the 2015 General Election the SNP dropped their desire for Independence instead campaigning for Home Rule and the implementation of the recommendations from the Smith Commission. Those voting for the SNP in the 2015 General Election were not voting for Independence.

If there has never been a majority for independence in Scotland, then another wee referendum shouldn't be a problem for those who oppose independence.

But that's not the case is it? They're dead set on Scotland never having another say over it's future ever again.

[Malky3]

18 minutes ago, tbsouth said:

The old everyone wants them out......but all the rest are shit.....meaning i am voting Tory but don't want to say it.

Who doesn't want to say it? I'm certainly going to vote Conservative on Thursday.

[Malky3]

1 minute ago, BawWatchin said:

If there has never been a majority for independence in Scotland, then another wee referendum shouldn't be a problem for those who oppose independence.

But that's not the case is it? They're dead set on Scotland never having another say over it's future ever again.

Are you offering to pay for it? Or should more money be diverted out of the Scottish NHS to pay for it? 

[tbsouth]

1 minute ago, Malky3 said:

Who doesn't want to say it? I'm certainly going to vote Conservative on Thursday.

Who do you think would be a better First Minister for Scotland?