pandarilla Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Do you genuinely believe this ridiculous narrative chief?Genuinely? That the Labour party has a major problem with anti-semitism and that Corbyn is pretty dangerous for not dealing with it?Like genuinely? ^^Scrambling for relevance. Are you going to answer this question? I asked you a fairly simple question a couple of weeks back and for some reason you ignored that one too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, Kejan said: FFS Labour should have made sure the c**t was booked before releasing their boy to Neil. That must be the shittest comms team on point for a major party in years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 minute ago, pandarilla said: Are you going to answer this question? I asked you a fairly simple question a couple of weeks back and for some reason you ignored that one too. If you have any evidence anything that was posted was incorrect, feel encouraged to post it. I have zero interest in dealing with your pissing the bed and crying, put up or shut up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 If you have any evidence anything that was posted was incorrect, feel encouraged to post it. I have zero interest in dealing with your pissing the bed and crying, put up or shut up. [emoji23][emoji23]All you do is post shit and run away. "But where's your sources???" What a bell-end of a poster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 On 25/11/2019 at 22:43, Pet Jeden said: What point are you trying to make? That the trams fiasco was nothing to do with the SNP? Well, I'm sure it had nothing to do with the ever canny John Swinney who kept the whole thing at least a barge pole length away. But the flaw in what you have eventually come up with, is that whoever has made that wiki entry (you, by any chance?) has been a bit sloppy with their language. I've seen some brainless posts on here but the idea that someone might deliberately change a wikipedia page in order to win an argument on here takes the brainless biscuit. On 25/11/2019 at 22:43, Pet Jeden said: Holyrood could refuse to facilitate the project, e.g. by refusing to extend funding. The transport bills required to build the trams went through the Scottish Parliament in 2004, if those were rescinded the whole thing would have to have been cancelled. They would have no legal right to build. So far so wrong. On 25/11/2019 at 22:43, Pet Jeden said: But it was not for them to cancel it. It was an Edinburgh Council project and they could either have done it better or cancelled it at any time before contracts were signed in Dec 2007.Or even after. Now, guess who was in coalition control of Edinburgh council from May 2007? March 2007: First work on Edinburgh’s tram project gets under way in Leith, with the scheme now due for completion in February 2011. https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/edinburgh-trams-timeline-of-twists-and-turns-1-2229133 If you just assume you know f**k all and go and do some research, you'll get along so much better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Quote The second group, which is considerably larger, consists of those that express antisemitic tropes and conspiracy theories. Antisemitism and conspiratorial ideas are closely entwined. The idea that Jewish people have undue influence on world politics and a secret agenda is an age-old trope. It is often promoted by claiming that Jewish people dominate in bank ownership and the media or that Jewish people have deep political connections. While there are several other classic antisemitic tropes, we found the idea of control and variations on this theme are the most common. A single statement can often make use of several tropes at once. The conspiratorial idea of Jewish people having undue influence is, for example, often combined with the allegation of disloyalty to their own country The most common trope regarding undue influence propagated by left-wing antisemites is the suggestion that the “Zionist lobby”, “Israel lobby” or even Mossad are somehow steering UK domestic politics to such an extent that political leaders cannot be trusted. Words such as “Puppet masters” are also often used to describe these foreign powers. This conspiracy is often also symbolised by individuals such as the Rothschilds who have come to embody the idea of Jewish control for some on the left. The “Rothschild agenda” is therefore used as an analogy to the “Zionist lobby”. Quote In these groups we find those that deny or relativise that there is a problem with antisemitism on the left and those that make use of antisemitic tropes when discussing the Israel/Palestine conflict. Debates on antisemitism inevitably touch on the topic of Israel and Palestine. ‘Israel’ and ‘Palestine’ are unsurprisingly two of the most commonly occurring words in the dataset that we based this research on. Israel, like any other state, can be criticised for its policies, such as the controversial nation-state law passed in 2018. However, in the case of Israel such critique sometimes veils antisemitic ideas. In addition, the singular focus on criticism of Israel can in some instances indicate underlying antisemitic sentiment. A recurring discourse is the implicit or explicit blaming of Jews as a group and individually for the policies of the Israeli state, even Jews who are not citizens of Israel. Conversely, the conflation between Israel and Jewish people results in a fear that a more stringent definition of antisemitism would limit the possibility to critique the actions of the State of Israel. Quote Allegations of antisemitic speech are met with responses that antisemitism is worse somewhere else, often on the right, or is a less serious issue than, for example, Islamophobia. With left-wing accounts we often found the argument that antisemitism in Labour is given too much attention and that Islamophobia in the Conservative Party is a larger problem Quote In a House of Commons speech in April, MP for Stoke-on-Trent North (and former Deputy Director of HOPE not hate) Ruth Smeeth explained in no uncertain terms the deluge of antisemitism she had experienced from the left such as: “Hang yourself you vile treacherous Zionist Tory filth. You are a cancer of humanity”. The chair of the Jewish Labour Movement’s parliamentary group, Luciana Berger, has faced abhorrent abuse online simply for highlighting instances of antisemitism within the Labour movement. https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/state-of-hate-2019-final-1.pdf Firstly I would encourage all to read as much of this document as possible. It contains a mountain of information. I would especially encourage people to read the subsections on Islamophobia. Its a goddam education including very good statistics on the scale of Tory membership and their Islamophobia. But we do not have many here defending that shite. What we do have is people trivialising or deflecting from the issues around the far left and antisemitism. I have highlighted a few relevant paragraphs and bolded a few statements on tropes I have seen used here recurrently. When elements of the Labour Party are being called out by serious and dedicated anti racism campaigners, when the parties procedures are being investigated by the Human Rights Commission its time to wake the f**k up. But but but but but but but the Tories whatabouttery is setting the lowest bar imaginable. They are a party of c***s who appeal to peoples base emotion, greed, fear, status and identity. When an interviewer asks you to condemn some shite about Rothschilds Zionists world conspiracies, you do not mumble for half a minute about nothing then stumble upon "it should not be used". Its a fucking gimme, you knock it out the park with confidence: "Clearly unacceptable". This is the hill Momentum and friends have chosen to die on. They have taken the chances of a Labour government with them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Damn those nasty nats...oh wait. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Dorlomin it is one of the most obvious media creations in recent British political history. Last summer the BBC and sky led every day with a new story, essentially re-hashed versions of the exact same story, in order to force Corbyn to resign. It was so over the top it was embarrassing. The clearest example was on the issue of the definition of anti-semitism, and the daily pressure applied to labour to accept it. The original author of the definition was so opposed to the add-ons relating to Israel that he opposed his own definition!The far left do have an issue with using unhelpful anti-semitic tropes in internet discussions - but the blurred lines between any criticism of Israel and anti-semitism has been intentional and manipulative. Meanwhile physical anti-semitic attacks and graffiti are on the rise across Europe - almost entirely carried out by the far right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-MAN Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Kevin RawlinsonThe prime minister’s senior aide, Dominic Cummings, has resigned as a special adviser, according to a Cabinet Office source.Cummings, who was a senior figure in the Vote Leave campaign before starting as an adviser to Boris Johnson in July. His appointment at No 10 came only four months after he was found in contempt of parliament for refusing to appear before MPs investigating false news stories during the EU referendum campaign.Earlier today, he published a blog post warning pro-Brexit voters that a Conservative victory is not yet in the bag (see 5.16pm). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Ooft. Huge if true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Apparently he resigned so he's not covered by purdah, he'll be back after the election 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock_the_squak Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Baxter Parp said: Damn those nasty nats...oh wait. The Motherwell and Wishaw SNP campaign hub got vandalised last night as well https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/cops-probe-shock-snp-out-20973773 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 11 hours ago, Donathan said: Hearing from a couple of Tory activists in Alloa that they’re resigned to losing the Ochil and South Perthshire seat. John Nicolson expected to have a very big majority, perhaps even more than the 10,000 that Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh won in by for the SNP in 2015. You'd better not be at the wind up, or I will look for you, I will find you, and I will leave a flaming toley on your doorstep. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 minute ago, BigFatTabbyDave said: You'd better not be at the wind up, or I will look for you, I will find you, and I will leave a flaming toley on your doorstep. The exact sentence I was told from two local party members I've personally known for years is that their MP, Luke Graham, has already thanked all the local dignitaries for his time in office and is making plans for post-parliament life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Baxter Parp said: I've seen some brainless posts on here but the idea that someone might deliberately change a wikipedia page in order to win an argument on here takes the brainless biscuit. The transport bills required to build the trams went through the Scottish Parliament in 2004, if those were rescinded the whole thing would have to have been cancelled. They would have no legal right to build. So far so wrong. March 2007: First work on Edinburgh’s tram project gets under way in Leith, with the scheme now due for completion in February 2011. https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/edinburgh-trams-timeline-of-twists-and-turns-1-2229133 If you just assume you know f**k all and go and do some research, you'll get along so much better. It was a council project. The council was SNP coalition from mid '07. Main contract awarded Dec '07. Despite prep work done on any preliminary contracts, Council could have cancelled whenever they wanted - admittedly gets more punitive as time passes. You don't know what you're spraffing about. In your eagerness to defend the SNP Government, you simply forgot it was an SNP coalition council, didn't you? Forget all the deflection. When you are in a hole, stop digging. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: The council was SNP coalition SNP Government, you simply forgot it was an SNP coalition council Lib dem seats 17 Labour seats 15 SNP seats 12 Only the SNP can fail here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 It was a council project. The council was SNP coalition from mid '07. Main contract awarded Dec '07. Despite prep work done on any preliminary contracts, Council could have cancelled whenever they wanted - admittedly gets more punitive as time passes. You don't know what you're spraffing about. In your eagerness to defend the SNP Government, you simply forgot it was an SNP coalition council, didn't you? Forget all the deflection. When you are in a hole, stop digging.Lolwut 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 41 minutes ago, Donathan said: The exact sentence I was told from two local party members I've personally known for years is that their MP, Luke Graham, has already thanked all the local dignitaries for his time in office and is making plans for post-parliament life. Brings a tear to the eye. Hopefully he's enjoyed his extended gap year with the po' folks and speaks kindly of the principality of Scotland upon his return to work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 21 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said: Lolwut Yes. It was an SNP-Lib Dem coalition. What's your point? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Donathan said: The exact sentence I was told from two local party members I've personally known for years is that their MP, Luke Graham, has already thanked all the local dignitaries for his time in office and is making plans for post-parliament life. Looking at the seat breakdown on the big Yougov poll tonight it has the Tories a % point ahead I believe, so perhaps closer than they think? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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