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There's a substantial chance Jo Swinson lost her seat because the council (lib dem/tory) closed a bowling green:




Sounds like a call for the unions to strike.
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On 18/11/2019 at 22:42, sophia said:

It's Ryan Houghton and if he's out of the running in Aberdeen North, the transfer of votes could see the end of Kirsty Blackman.

She might be glad that the brexit party are standing.

Just a reminder it was more comfortable for Blackman then it was in 2017.

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On 12/12/2019 at 17:03, oaksoft said:

For the love of god. You are lucky I've run out of red dot privileges for the day.

#What an absolutely ridiculous post.

Benefit fraud is ILLEGAL. Period.

Tax avoidance is not.

Learn the difference.

Tax evasion is illegal and it's THIS which needs clamped down on alongside and at exactly the same time as benefits fraud.

Found this article that shows the issues surrounding tax avoidance/evasion and how the margins between them are blurring and I thought it might help.

https://www.moneymarketing.co.uk/opinion/legal-tax-avoidance/

‘Evoiding’ the issue – when legal tax avoidance is anything but.

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The article ends by saying "Hence evoidance – the grey hinterland where something thought to be legal avoidance turns out to have been outside the law all along."
So in other words it wasn't tax avoidance. It was outside the law and therefore tax evasion.
It doesn't need new words or phrases.
It's either legal or it isn't.


That's the point - the accountants are using the rules in ways that were never envisioned when they were drawn up and they'll continue to do so until someone spots what they're doing and stops them. However, there's barely anyone left at HMRC to inspect the books and assess the legality of their interpretation of the rules so they could get away with it for years.
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3 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

The point is that people keep trying to conflate tax avoidance and tax evasion.

I am saying that the two are entirely different

Thousands of very well paid tax lawyers are prospering from the many grey areas.

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The point is that people keep trying to conflate tax avoidance and tax evasion.
I am saying that the two are entirely different and that article you quoted ends up agreeing with that.
Whether HMRC have enough inspectors of the correct skill level to investigate this tax evasion is another issue and not one where we would disagree.
But tax avoidance can be tax evasion once it's been assessed by an HMRC officer. The point of the article is that the difference between the two has become blurred to the point of needing a new word to describe the current situation.
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You can repeat this all you like but it doesn't make it true. If it's tax evasion then it's tax evasion.
All the evidence shows businesses and individuals adopting schemes that blur the edges and definition of evasion and avoidance but you know better than the experts, clearly.
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2 hours ago, Baxter Parp said:
18 hours ago, oaksoft said:
You can repeat this all you like but it doesn't make it true. If it's tax evasion then it's tax evasion.

All the evidence shows businesses and individuals adopting schemes that blur the edges and definition of evasion and avoidance but you know better than the experts, clearly.

In fairness oaksoft strikes me as the sort of person who has some knowledge and experience of tax evasion.

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7 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

You have just spent two pages arguing the opposite that the line between legal tax avoidance and illegal tax evasion is blurred. By definition then, the position of the line is up for debate and not fact based. You have even quoted experts not knowing for sure where the line is. There are no FACTS here. Not yet anyway.

Oh ffs. Are you pretending that you don't know what a blur is now? It means there is no "line". You've been arguing that evasion is evasion and avoidance is avoidance and never the twain shall meet and it's utter bollocks.

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