Sir Tarmo Kink Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 On 08/12/2019 at 22:57, sophia said: It is like the Ood, suddenly going all raj. Deleting match threads, a failing attention seeking awards thread in the championship forum where 20% of the posts belong to the OP and interminable irritancy here. I feel that it's my duty to worry for their welfare. “Failing attention seeking awards thread” is going alright tbh. Better pop over as you’ll be featuring soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 So news coming out today Boris considering workers rights protections up for grabs to allow for trade negotiations etc. Better together... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 So Johnson first cabinet appointment under his new regime ie Welsh secretary going to a fox hunting promoting brexiteer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 A peerage for Nicky Morgan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 And a place in the cabinet...democracy tory style A peerage for Nicky Morgan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, doulikefish said: And a place in the cabinet...democracy tory style Shocking. So much for the 'take back control from unelected bureaucrats '. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Scotlands triple mandate against Brexit: EU Referendum 2016 1,661,191 (62% Remain) 1,018,322 (38% Leave) EU Election 2019 1,119,149 (71.6% Remain Parties) 443,900 (28.4% Leave Parties) UK General Election 2019 2,045,757 (74.25% Remain Parties) 709,485 (25.75% Leave Parties) #ScotlandsTripleMandate #indyref2 #ScottishIndependence #indyref2020 #indyref #snp #EU #Europe #Scotland4Europe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 On 06/12/2019 at 22:54, Mark Connolly said: Why is Nicky Morgan still fighting the battle for them when she's stepping down? Is it planned so that they can blame her if it all goes wrong? 3 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said: A peerage for Nicky Morgan And there we have the answer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrie Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 5 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: So news coming out today Boris considering workers rights protections up for grabs to allow for trade negotiations etc. Better together... Already seeing "Fear Project 3" from the usual headbangers on Twitter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapelhall chap Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: And there we have the answer. She will be hoping it's not an answer to a question on numbers, which has to be explained on TV. I wonder if any of the Tories who were unseated, will become life peers? My prediction would be Luke Graham or Jo Swinson Edited December 16, 2019 by Chapelhall chap spelling error 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 7 hours ago, doulikefish said: And a place in the cabinet...democracy tory style Well she was worried about having to face up to angry constituents. No probs now.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 On 15/12/2019 at 22:20, dorlomin said: So the "narrative" being established by the Momentum fanatics is that Labour lost because Brexit (which is in itself idiotic to blame the biggest political issue issue of the day when you helped trigger the election on that very issue). Yet polling show what most mainstream political commentators have been saying for years, the clown is unelectable. He had a toxic past that went down like a bowl of cold sick with many working class regions in the North of England. Fanatical zealots shouted down any attempt to point this out and made up absurd justifications for him. They sailed over the heads of lifetime Labour voters. The vitriolic contempt you will find on this forum for working class Labour voters who do not conform to the modern liberal, urbane world view is a big part of why we are where we are today in America and the UK. There is a great deal of similarity between "rust belt" US backing Trump and the NW and NE of England backing Boris. To sell social democracy to the UK public we need to find people who can actually sell things, we need to take smaller steps, focus on what the voters in run down communities worry about, place the big (popular with students) international issues onto the back burner, sound local and find people who are proud of this country. Labour prime minister had no problem being patriotically British (ok this forum swings strongly to SNP but we are talking about UK wide politics here). People need to feel that the Labour leadership cares about them and the things they care about, not like its the NUS trying to take over the country. People who cannot empathise with why life long Labour voters left the party this election really should have no part in the discussion about the next Labour leader. There is a lot of truth in this. In Scotland, Labour lost its heartland when 2014 demonstrated that, if pressed, they would leap into bed with anyone. People in Scotland realised they were not being served well by Labour and were/are fortunate enough to have a social democrat alternative where focus is on developing a fairer Scotland. The north of England doesn't have that alternative so their protest has been channelled differently. Calamitous. That's not to excuse the swivel-eyed racist loonballs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 So the suspicion is true that the lower the education level the more likely they were to vote Tory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Snafu said: Maybe that was the plan all along. Emotion not logic. Elites blaming the elites, pretending they're somehow working class heroes who just happened to go to Eton and had shed loads of dosh in hedge funds that made a profit out of the bail out in 2008 and expect to do the same with Brexit. I'm the exception to the rule on old people turning to the right, close to going full blown Trotsky/Bakunin, was a mild democratic socialist/social democrat until recent times. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Emotion not logic. The lack of self awareness is comical. Quote pretending they're somehow working class heroes who just happened to go to Eton Except that is not what happened. Quote I'm the exception to the rule on old people turning to the right, close to going full blown Trotsky/Bakunin, was a mild democratic socialist/social democrat until recent times. You are the norm. Echo chambers make people more extreme. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, Snafu said: Maybe that was the plan all along. The uneducated and the disaffected will always be attracted to right-wing populism. And Brexit is the perfect vehicle for right-wing populism....a vague, abstract concept that nobody really understands but is easily condensed into soundbites and slogans, with the added bonus of the immigrant playing the part of the bogeyman. The Tories have played an absolute blinder in exploiting this to the max. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 But you could argue that much the same audience is attracted to nationalism with its sound bites and slogans with the English playing the bogeyman - indeed the same tactics are used by political movements of all shades 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: The uneducated and the disaffected will always be attracted to right-wing populism. https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/how-britain-voted-1997 They are left to right Con\Lab\Ld\Other. AB 41 31 22 6 +10 -15 +12 0 13.5 79 C1 37 37 18 8 0 -15 +12 -2 13.5 75 C2 27 50 16 7 -23 -12 +10 -1 11.0 69 DE 21 59 13 7 -38 -10 +10 Far from "always being attracted to right-wing populism" those in manual and semiskilled jobs used to vote Labour by 50 and 59%. The drop off so that more vote Tory than Labour is recent, in fact I think it is this election cycle. It needs serious examination to inform a path out of here. Edited December 19, 2019 by dorlomin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, dorlomin said: https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/how-britain-voted-1997 They are left to right Con\Lab\Ld\Other. AB 41 31 22 6 +10 -15 +12 0 13.5 79 C1 37 37 18 8 0 -15 +12 -2 13.5 75 C2 27 50 16 7 -23 -12 +10 -1 11.0 69 DE 21 59 13 7 -38 -10 +10 Far from "always being attracted to right-wing populism" those in manual and semiskilled jobs used to vote Labour by 50 and 59%. The drop off so that more vote Tory than Labour is recent, in fact I think it is this election cycle. It needs serious examination to inform a path out of here. This is part of what you posted earlier. Uneducated people voting Tory; educated people not voting Tory. I reckon a large percentage of the former is pensioners. Uneducated (thick as f**k) bigoted old c***s ensuring large swathes of another generation will probably not get the education they deserve. What a wonderful world. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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