Ross. Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, Malky3 said: Nope - but in the same way tactical voting and the lack of decent leadership from other Scottish parties saw many vote for the SNP who would not vote for Scottish Independence. That being the case, we cannot rely on the voting % as a truly accurate guide, do you agree? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 As has been said, the Scottish Tories made this first past the post election ALL about indy ref 2. Nothing about Brexit or any other issues, just about a second independence referendum. The SNP won 81% of constituencies, by Tory arguments that's an absolute and undeniable mandate. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: As has been said, the Scottish Tories made this first past the post election ALL about indy ref 2. Nothing about Brexit or any other issues, just about a second independence referendum. The SNP won 81% of constituencies, by Tory arguments that's an absolute and undeniable mandate. I disagree the SNP had on the bus stop brexit for me it was more of a remain vote than a independence vote. The mandate is there but needs work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Replays Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Ross. said: Hi Malky, Are you saying that absolutely every Labour and Lib Dem voter will vote against independence? Even with several on here saying they are pro independence? Thanks. A sensible approach really and similar to the people I know. For the avoidance of any doubt, I am only close to one of these people, the others had posted their views on Twitter but I do know them personally and was pretty surprised to see the change. For all three, it was simply a case of it not actually making a difference what they voted that seemed to spark the change. Voting for Indy would then go on to provide a platform where their vote would actually matter in the post-indy elections. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Malky appears to have moved to the Guardian comments section. Highlights the pathetic troll that he is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 34 minutes ago, Malky3 said: I cannot agree. Sturgeon made the election in Scotland about Indy Ref 2 - not about Brexit. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Well played sir 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 14 minutes ago, Ross. said: That being the case, we cannot rely on the voting % as a truly accurate guide, do you agree? It's as good an indication as we can get. All the opinion pollls show similar figures as did the Independence Referendum of 2014. All the evidence shows there is no increased support for Scottish Independence - indeed as I pointed out the SNP polled nearly 400,000 fewer votes than voted for Independence back then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, Malky3 said: It's as good an indication as we can get. All the opinion pollls show similar figures as did the Independence Referendum of 2014. All the evidence shows there is no increased support for Scottish Independence - indeed as I pointed out the SNP polled nearly 400,000 fewer votes than voted for Independence back then. So you agree then that if the Conservatives can poll their % and declare themselves a peoples government, the SNP polling their numbers have the right to do the same? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 26 minutes ago, Malky3 said: And the Unionist argument won. 54% of the share of the vote. In Scotland? 18 minutes ago, Malky3 said: Nope - but in the same way tactical voting and the lack of decent leadership from other Scottish parties saw many vote for the SNP who would not vote for Scottish Independence. The yes movement is a totally different animal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ross. said: So you agree then that if the Conservatives can poll their % and declare themselves a peoples government, the SNP polling their numbers have the right to do the same? It was a UK Election. The SNP got 3.9%. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 As has been said, the Scottish Tories made this first past the post election ALL about indy ref 2. Nothing about Brexit or any other issues, just about a second independence referendum. The SNP won 81% of constituencies, by Tory arguments that's an absolute and undeniable mandate.Sorry to be a broken record but how does that translate into a referendum? The Tories aren’t going to be swayed with a By Your Logic as they’re shameless c***s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 All aggregated polling I've seen and heard from John Curtice suggests independence and union is sitting at basically 50/50. Which is higher than the snp share of the vote of 45%.Why? Because Labour and remain voters are breaking for yes more than snp voters are breaking the other way.How can that be denied? There's clearly been an increase in support. It's as good an indication as we can get. All the opinion pollls show similar figures as did the Independence Referendum of 2014. All the evidence shows there is no increased support for Scottish Independence - indeed as I pointed out the SNP polled nearly 400,000 fewer votes than voted for Independence back then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Malky3 said: It was a UK Election. The SNP got 3.9%. Edited December 13, 2019 by Ross. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, Ross. said: Are you not well? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, tirso said: All aggregated polling I've seen and heard from John Curtice suggests independence and union is sitting at basically 50/50. Which is higher than the snp share of the vote of 45%. Why? Because Labour and remain voters are breaking for yes more than snp voters are breaking the other way. How can that be denied? There's clearly been an increase in support. No there hasn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 The way things are going, I for one am considering investing heavily in the pitch-fork market ahead of the upcoming sales boom. Suggestions welcome. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonapersona Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I can't see any more calls for a 2nd Brexit referendum. I think it would be an even bigger leave vote. The English have gone totally mad and one day it will all come crumbling down. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Malky3 said: No there hasn't. Forgive me if I believe Sir John Kevin Curtice (Professor of Politics and a Senior Research Fellow at the National Centre for Social Research) over a poster who's clearly digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself. Edited December 13, 2019 by Hedgecutter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Malky3 said: It was a UK Election. The SNP got 3.9%. You don't seem to realise bumbling buffoon Boris is the best thing for Scottish independence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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