LongTimeLurker Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, speckled tangerine said: With a nationalist majority in Norn Iron for the first time ever you'd think that, combined with the Scottish result puts the UK on life support. It surely has to follow that calls for a border poll will increase. There is no nationalist majority in NI. If you look at the vote shares, the nationalist/republican vote share actually declined slightly and sits at under 40%. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Swinson 'made the sacrifice of losing her own seat'? Is Rennie thick? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest Saints Fan Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Ian Blackford strolling it, again. So much for the Lib Dem push up here 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speckled tangerine Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, LongTimeLurker said: There is no nationalist majority in NI. If you look at the vote shares, the nationalist/republican vote share actually declined slightly and sits at under 40%. I hadn't looked at the percentages but good point. I wonder how the soft yoons will go when brexit kicks in? Boris is about to stab them in the front with this border in the sea. Can't see that going down well at all..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: By that logic, with 43% the Tories have no mandate to govern. The Tories are very good at repeating a slogan and making it a mantra. The SNP must do the same with the point you make. If 43% makes Johnson's government legitimate then 45% does the same for the SNP mandate. This must be repeated by every SNP spokesperson at every opportunity. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, speckled tangerine said: I hadn't looked at the percentages but good point. I wonder how the soft yoons will go when brexit kicks in? Boris is about to stab them in the front with this border in the sea. Can't see that going down well at all..... A lot will depend on how hard the border is once the dust settles and how close trading ties remain between the UK and EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) What a minter for Labour in Aberdeen North. Finishing a distant 3rd and behind a Tory candidate that had been abandoned by his own party. Edited December 13, 2019 by NorthernLights 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, speckled tangerine said: Keir starmer? Labour will probably shoot themselves in the foot again with Angela Rayner or someone just to let a woman have a turn. If I was still active in the Labour Party I’d want Clive Lewis. Don’t know if he will stand though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speckled tangerine Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, LongTimeLurker said: A lot will depend on how hard the border is once the dust settles and how close trading ties remain between the UK and EU. Indeed. And that's the million dollar question. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I find it tragic that the three areas of Scotland ‘flooded’ with English incomers are holding our nation back. Plenty are lovely people but I’m not comfortable that they are transplanting a vote into Scotland. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post pandarilla Posted December 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2019 I find it tragic that the three areas of Scotland ‘flooded’ with English incomers are holding our nation back. Plenty are lovely people but I’m not comfortable that they are transplanting a vote into Scotland. I'm not comfortable with the yes side going down this route in terms of tactics. Scotland is for anyone who wants to live here, and always should be. Let's not get all little scotlander. 46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I suppose the good news for Kirstene Hair is that there will be plenty of work for her picking fruit on the family farm. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) Just to remind people, over the coming 20 years the share of the population over 50 vs under 30 will grow significantly. We will be less able to rely on consumers and consumer credit for growth in the dominant service sector, Pension funds will be selling more government bonds than buying them. And the politics of the UK and Scotland will increasingly reflect the values of an ageing population. For Europe it is that above but with serious structural issues around government and private sector debts. (the graphic is for 2011 census so add abut 8 years to that.) Edited December 13, 2019 by dorlomin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 33 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: The Tories are very good at repeating a slogan and making it a mantra. The SNP must do the same with the point you make. If 43% makes Johnson's government legitimate then 45% does the same for the SNP mandate. This must be repeated by every SNP spokesperson at every opportunity. Absolutely. "We're more legitimate than you" doesn't ring right. They should go with "You're more of a b*****d than us". 4 minutes ago, dorlomin said: Just to remind people, over the coming 20 years the share of the population over 50 vs under 30 will grow significantly. We will be less able to rely on consumers and consumer credit for growth in the dominant service sector, Pension funds will be selling more government bonds than buying them. And the politics of the UK and Scotland will increasingly reflect the values of an ageing population. For Europe it is that above but with serious structural issues around government and private sector debts. (the graphic is for 2011 census so add abut 8 years to that.) It's something that is going to affect the entire developed world, and people still don't have an answer to it. Importing people young enough to support the old has been the sticking plaster but is not the long term answer. Systematic changes seem the only answer but no one seems willing to consider anything that is even half approaching "radical". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Labour on 50,000 votes per seat and the Tories on 38,000 is a disaster. It was completely obvious that Labour Leave voters were hugely valuable under FPTP yet the party did almost nothing to keep them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 41 minutes ago, The DA said: Swinson 'made the sacrifice of losing her own seat'? Is Rennie thick? Um, yes? Where have you been? This is the same idiot who darkly speculated that the SNP might be sneakily wanting Scotland to be an independent country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, pandarilla said: I'm not comfortable with the yes side going down this route in terms of tactics. Scotland is for anyone who wants to live here, and always should be. Let's not get all little scotlander. I get what you are saying but it feels to me that some appear to be voting not in the constituency but in the constituency where they came from. I’m pleased that we don’t follow the English route in blocking votes (eg EU members in the EU referundum). Just expressing disappointment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bernardblack Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Logged into LinkedIn there (have to use it for my job) and the state of the tories on there is disgusting 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 18 minutes ago, pandarilla said: I'm not comfortable with the yes side going down this route in terms of tactics. Scotland is for anyone who wants to live here, and always should be. Let's not get all little scotlander. Well said. f**k the anti-English brigade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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