carpetmonster Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Just now, oaksoft said: Why would you compare an illegal activity such as benefits fraud with perfectly legal tax avoidance? In Vodafone's case, it's not clear that it was perfectly legal - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/oct/22/vodafone-tax-case-leaves-sour-taste And also, because I can do maths. Or do I have to call it math now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, speckled tangerine said: Reality for fictional benefit claimant: Universal credit single person allowance- £317.82 per month. Council tax paid if unemployed. Rent paid probably in full if council tenant, but subject to local housing allowance if private rent. (May have to chip in difference if more than LHA) Aye. Fictional benefit claimant living the dream on eighty quid a week or less. Saved me the bother of posting something similar. (I didn't know the figures off hand). There is no doubt you can survive fairly comfortably on circa £80.00/week provided 1/ You don't run a car 2/ You don't socialise 3/ You don't need to buy clothes or shoes 4/ You don't buy your family birthday or Christmas presents. (I've done it). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Just now, Jacksgranda said: Saved me the bother of posting something similar. (I didn't know the figures off hand). There is no doubt you can survive fairly comfortably on circa £80.00/week provided 1/ You don't run a car 2/ You don't socialise 3/ You don't need to buy clothes or shoes 4/ You don't buy your family birthday or Christmas presents. (I've done it). And if you don't have any clothes or shoes, socialising's gonna be kinda difficult. Bunch of prudes these days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, oaksoft said: It's either illegal or it's not. You need to prove illegality and nobody did that in the case of Vodafone. 6bn quid buys you some good lawyers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speckled tangerine Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, oaksoft said: Did you forget to add tax credits for being "self employed"? Poor old fictional benefit claimant. He's been found not gainfully self employed and therefore the minimum income floor has been employed. Nae tax credits and he's now expected to self report earnings equivalent to 35 hours on minimum wage or find a job. What ever will the poor c**t do?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im_Rodger Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 49 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Your party has had a dreadful week tbqh - I wouldn't be surprised if that's the result. But we'll just have to wait and see. Not going to disagree with that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Aye that's possible. It's an SNP area and we know that nationalists are happy committing election fraud. Good to know your vote won't count 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 For the love of god. You are lucky I've run out of red dot privileges for the day. #What an absolutely ridiculous post. Benefit fraud is ILLEGAL. Period. Tax avoidance is not. Learn the difference. Tax evasion is illegal and it's THIS which needs clamped down on alongside and at exactly the same time as benefits fraud.Except activities that are considered avoidance can be categorised as evasion once they're examined by HMRC. Such as loans that are never paid back, for instance. The problem with the Tory party is that they have cut HMRC's budget to the point where the activities of those who are most likely to be evading taxes are no longer regularly investigated. It's estimated that benefit fraud costs the country about £1.2 Bn p.a. but tax evasion costs £4.4 Bn. Probably more, since there's no one left to check. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave1875 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Tories can't even get a Twitter trend going without fucking it up somehow 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Stinky Bone said: You underestimate me, I know the difference between evasion and avoidance. My posts have clearly stated that tax avoidance is immoral. Those that support it are too. Now take your ridiculous post and put it back in your gob. Tbf, you did say (quote)"Basically forget the tax avoidance schemes used by billionaires that cost the economy billions in lost revenue, but blame the poor person in the street" before saying that both were immoral. This still translates into 'why target the illegal action when going after the perfectly legal action will be better for the public purse'. Eta: This isn't me condoning large scale tax avoidance. Edited December 12, 2019 by Hedgecutter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Yes but it doesn't buy you the ability to physically change the law when you are in court I'm sure the Birmingham Six et al will be relieved to know you think all judicial decisions are correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, oaksoft said: It's either illegal or it's not. You need to prove illegality and nobody did that in the case of Vodafone. Vodafone and HMRC settled out of court for a meagre amount. If HMRC had pursued the full amont in court they would have won. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 It takes a certain type of moron to defend multi national companies who use devices to avoid paying a reasonable level of tax on their profits. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Scenes If she loses by one vote! I'd laugh like a fucking drain!What's funnier is that my Dad who lives on the cusp of the Angus constituency is also on holiday with my step-mum - they both got postal votes.They both voted SNP for the first time in their lives - both traditional Labour voters who've had enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Just now, Granny Danger said: It takes a certain type of moron to defend multi national companies who use devices to avoid paying a reasonable level of tax on their profits. And a certain type of utter pondlife to tell a guy doing a shift at a foodbank that he's virtue signaling. Same individual. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) I think 2 posters from here have randomly appeared on my twitter timeline, discussing their voting intentions. @craigkillie and the St johnstone fan whose name on here escapes, she's been ill recently and married to the old Falkirk fan. Not discussing with each other I may add, seperate tweets. Edited December 12, 2019 by MONKMAN 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 For the love of god. You are lucky I've run out of red dot privileges for the day. #What an absolutely ridiculous post. Benefit fraud is ILLEGAL. Period. Tax avoidance is not. Learn the difference. Tax evasion is illegal and it's THIS which needs clamped down on alongside and at exactly the same time as benefits fraud.I think tbh that is what he means.That being said there is sometimes a very fine line between tax avoidance and tax evasion - as we saw with a certain football club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: 7 minutes ago, MONKMAN said: I think 2 posters from here have randomly appeared on my twitter timeline, discussing their voting intentions. [mention=11624]craigkillie[/mention] and the St johnstone fan whose name on here escapes, she's been ill recently and married to the old Falkirk fan. Honest saints fan and rugster That’s the one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 You mean that you wanted a square go with the carpetmonster if he was living in Scotland not Chicago?? Ha ha ha haaa!! You're so full of shit.TBF, I still maintain an address in Scotland, and it's within half a mile of Ruel St. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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