welshbairn Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: But his prospectus is that of a middling northern european country, no matter what our pundit class may wish to persuade you of, evidently with some success. And with the most credible and democratic Brexit strategy, whilst ruling out the right wing nihilist project. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Pat Mountain is probably about as close to a Father Ted character name as we're going to get at this election. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Spent a fair amount of time on Friday speaking with two people who are campaigning for The Labour Party - both spent most of the time talking about what is wrong with The Labour Party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2019/jun/20/homelessness-minister-accused-of-racist-remarks-in-email?CMP=share_btn_tw&__twitter_impression=true 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Big fan of the dedicated Nick Cohen section in particular. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 40 minutes ago, paranoid android said: Spent a fair amount of time on Friday speaking with two people who are campaigning for The Labour Party - both spent most of the time talking about what is wrong with The Labour Party. Learn anything interesting? Was the solution to vote for the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party? Seem to be more and more "Labour" people who've decided that's a good idea, and not at all akin to turkeys voting for Christmas. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 12 minutes ago, BigFatTabbyDave said: Learn anything interesting? Was the solution to vote for the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party? Seem to be more and more "Labour" people who've decided that's a good idea, and not at all akin to turkeys voting for Christmas. One fairly high profile guy said there best hope was a hung parliament- also said they didn't really want Corbyn as party leader or PM! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC. Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Currently thinking back to 2015 when centrist policy wonk Ed Miliband ate a bacon sandwich funny and was literally Stalin. He certainly wasn’t “tough enous”. A routine victory for Davie Cameron back in 2015. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 I see the UKIP interim leader Pat Mountain gave a rather strange interview on Sky News earlier. https://www.indy100.com/article/ukip-interview-pat-mountain-racist-tommy-robinson-general-election-9229116Is that this week's interim leader? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 23 minutes ago, paranoid android said: One fairly high profile guy said there best hope was a hung parliament- also said they didn't really want Corbyn as party leader or PM! Shame we're unlikely to see the scenes after a Labour majority is announced. It'd be a toss-up to see whose after-party most closely resembled a wake. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, BigFatTabbyDave said: Shame we're unlikely to see the scenes after a Labour majority is announced. It'd be a toss-up to see whose after-party most closely resembled a wake. Labour are fucked. I blame Blair. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, paranoid android said: I blame Blair. Me too, I forget why, but he definitely deserves it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Tarmo Kink Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 But his prospectus is that of a middling northern european country, no matter what our pundit class may wish to persuade you of, evidently with some success.Maybe you’re just wrong 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, BigFatTabbyDave said: Me too, I forget why, but he definitely deserves it. He was behind the unbelievably misjudged "People's Vote" campaign for one, and undermined every centrist MP linked to him with his disastrous Iraq adventure. Edited December 2, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 I’ll stick my head above the parapet....Can anyone tell me what they hope to achieve by there being a hung parliament and how they expect that to pan out? Cliches about ‘just keeping Tories out’ need not respond. How would it actually take us forward? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 41 minutes ago, BigFatTabbyDave said: Me too, I forget why, but he definitely deserves it. Changed Labour to the extent that there's no real coherent opposition. Couldn't have worked out better for the tories if it was planned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, alta-pete said: I’ll stick my head above the parapet.... Can anyone tell me what they hope to achieve by there being a hung parliament and how they expect that to pan out? Cliches about ‘just keeping Tories out’ need not respond. How would it actually take us forward? Time for a confirmatory referendum and a sensible way forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, alta-pete said: Can anyone tell me what they hope to achieve by there being a hung parliament and how they expect that to pan out? Cliches about ‘just keeping Tories out’ need not respond. How would it actually take us forward? …as you were. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Time for a confirmatory referendum and a sensible way forward.Ok, fair enough. Indulge my hypothesising but say we did win independence on a (say) 55/45 vote - I doubt the break will be any easier than Brexit. But once we do get to a deal on our leaving the U.K. would that not also have to go to a confirmatory vote? I imagine the 45% (or even the (say) 20%) switherers might not like how the negotiated independence settlement might look? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, alta-pete said: Ok, fair enough. Indulge my hypothesising but say we did win independence on a (say) 55/45 vote - I doubt the break will be any easier than Brexit. But once we do get to a deal on our leaving the U.K. would that not also have to go to a confirmatory vote? I imagine the 45% (or even the (say) 20%) switherers might not like how the negotiated independence settlement might look? I'd say if a rational way is found out of the Brexit mess there will be less appetite for an immediate referendum on indy. More likely a gradual progression with devo max and a federal system, to the point where independence will just be a formal stroke of a pen. If Johnson gets his way it won't just be a hard brexit he gets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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