General Election 2019 - AND IT’S LIVE!

[D Angelo Barksdale]

Please be kind online.

[The_Judge]

2 minutes ago, The_Judge said:

https://www.ciel.org/news/new-report-exposes-mining-companies-suing-latin-american-countries-where-communities-defend-land-and-environment/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investor-state_dispute_settlement

[The_Judge]

1 minute ago, The_Judge said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investor-state_dispute_settlement

TTIP[edit]

Resistance from the EU side to the US proposal to include an ISDS clause in the draft Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership treaty was such as to cause this element to be abandoned in September 2015. In its place, the European Commission proposed an investment court system (ICS).^[9][10][11] Not long afterwards, ICS was declared illegal by the German Association of Magistrates,^[12] though the Commission dismissed the magistrates' judgement as based on a misunderstanding.^[13] For its part, the United States wants ISDS reinstated.^[13]

According to a 2019 study, opposition to ISDS is the single most important factor motivating opposition to TTIP among Germans.^[14]

[O'Kelly Isley III]

He is right though, and your response of ‘aye but you support rangers’ doesn’t exactly do you much favours either.

Rangers supporters and the high moral ground - just think it through.

[HTG]

49 minutes ago, johnthebaptistist said:

They had a mandate at the last independence referendum and lost, the Brexit referendum was for the U.K. and not regionalised, the majority voted to leave. Concentrating on the one subject while destroying the Scottish NHS, this SNP government are nothing but lying vermin.

Snotters everywhere 

[D Angelo Barksdale]

Please be aware that 'yellow/red tories' and 'gammons' are hateful slurs and anyone using these abusive terms will be reported.

[welshbairn]

The bizarre thing is anyone thinking the UK could get more leverage over the US trade lobbyists without the weight of 27 other European countries behind it than as part of the EU trading bloc. 

[D Angelo Barksdale]

Good to see the media have moved from 'Labour scaremongering' and the 'NHS is not for sale' to 'well, it doesn't actually specifically say the NHS will be privatised, it only implies it'

Next step is 'the NHS giving US big pharma £500 million a week is actually good'

[dorlomin]

The state of this thread today. 

[WhiteRoseKillie]

There's literally no combination of words that he could have said that would have resolved the antisemitism accusations because they're made in bad faith by people who want rid of him full stop.

This, in spades. There will never be an acknowledgment of sufficient action from the party, because the complainants, in the vast majority of their criticism, refuse to actual give examples of antisemitism, and when they do, as in the Perrin example given by Neill, they make. Shit. Up.

On the BBC yesterday, Julia Neuberger actually cited the Panorama hatchet job as an example of what a bad man Corbyn is - and, of course, the interviewer didn't point out that there are, to put it mildly, some questions about the participants' motivations in that particular work of fiction. Corbyn is a bad man - the court of public opinion has spoken. Meanwhile, Johnson gets caught lying like a cheap watch - a-fucking-gain. Ahh, that's just Boris. He's a character, isn't he?

Meanwhile, real antisemitism and other discrimination goes ahead unchecked. Not one fucking word from the chief rabbi over homelessness, Grenfell, or poverty has, if actually spoken by the Tory cùnt, been given this kind of coverage.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

Media already appear to have a handle on the narrative for these documents. Pharma companies in the US want access to our NHS but nothing in the document showing that the UK Government has agreed/discussed this.
We'll see what emerges over the next few hours as journalists study the detail but this has the potential to spectacularly backfire on Corbyn if what he's saying isn't shown in the documents. Could be a massve day either way.

...and it takes over 400 pages and six meetings to say, "no", does it?

Bbc already inserting the qualifier that Johnson wasn't PM at the time. I'll guarantee somebody's head (Fox?) will roll, and then carry on as fucking normal.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

Corbyn and his cult are anti-semetic. He didn't apologise because he wouldn't mean it. Boris will get Brexit done and get our country back. 

Well, I'm fucking not and I'm getting mightily pissed off with people, especially fellow gentiles, telling me that because I don't agree with Israeli soldiers using kids for target practise, or their country running an apartheid regime, I'm equivalent to Hitler. It's fucking nonsense, and the problem is that you cannot have a rational debate about it when these idiots left rationality behind a long time ago.
What's actually more important - hundred of thousands of people's lives cut unnecessarily short because of deliberate government policy, or "Corbyn pronounced Epstein in a way that that was intended to make him sound more Jewish"?

I fucking despair.

[dorlomin]

6 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

Not one fucking word from the chief rabbi over homelessness, Grenfell, or poverty has, if actually spoken by the Tory cùnt,

Jews famously do not care about the poor. 

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On Sunday, two unlikely chefs will collaborate to make a special Sunday lunch. Not only will it be vegetarian, it will be cooked by the Chief Rabbi, Ephraim Mirvis, and Imam Ibrahim Mogra at Edgware United synagogue in north-west London and served to people living at a homeless shelter nearby.

They'll be among the 37,000 people taking part in Mitzvah Day, the country's biggest day of religious volunteering. More than 500 organisations, including synagogues, schools, baby groups, offices and universities, help more than 150 charities.

 

Mitzvah Day started 10 years ago with a group of 120 volunteers in Belsize Park, London. Laura Marks, who was recently appointed OBE for her work promoting interfaith relations, had just returned to London from Los Angeles, where she'd been living with her husband and children. There, she'd joined the Temple Israel of Hollywood synagogue, and taken part in its Mitzvah Day, being given the job of going to an old people's home in downtown LA.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/mitzvah-day-37000-people-expected-to-take-part-in-uks-biggest-day-of-religious-volunteering-a6741221.html

The storm clouds continue to gather. 

Its an old and familiar story. 

[WhiteRoseKillie]

Why wasn't it in his manifesto, launched few days prior?

Because the assumption was, certainly among the of us who have been following this injustice, that the government had an amount put aside in the event of the WASPI women winning their case or, as it will be now, their appeal. That there appears to have been no such fund is no fault of Labour or Corbyn, but does speak volumes about the attitude of the Tory party.

I remember a lot of coverage of whether we should get involved in Syria. I can't remember anyone asking if we could afford it. Same with Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Oh, and the fucking banks.

As Tony Benn once said, "If we can find money to kill people, we can find money to help them."

[WhiteRoseKillie]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/mitzvah-day-37000-people-expected-to-take-part-in-uks-biggest-day-of-religious-volunteering-a6741221.html
The storm clouds continue to gather. 
Its an old and familiar story. 

A wee tip here - if you're going to selectively quote someone, don't leave a hanging comma. It might lead someone to think you're cherry picking. And that would never do.

[YassinMoutaouakil]

This is the highest stakes election in decades. If you live anywhere other than an SNP/Tory marginal and are remotely left wing you should be voting Labour.

[dorlomin]

1 minute ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

 

Tell me all about the "real antisemitism" you suddenly pretend to care about. 

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Meanwhile, real antisemitism 

The kind you are an expert on but so many Jews seem not to know about. 

Would that include promoting a book that claimed Jews were behind the Anglo Boer war?

 

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Jewish leaders have written to Jeremy Corbyn to express “grave concern” and demand an explanation after it emerged he wrote a glowing foreword for a century-old political tract that includes antisemitic tropes.

The book, Imperialism: A Study, written by John Atkinson Hobson in 1902, claimed European finance was controlled by “men of a single and peculiar race”. Corbyn described the book as “brilliant” and “very controversial”, the Times first reported.

He wrote the foreword when the book was reissued in 2011, four years before becoming Labour leader.

Hobson describes the financial system as controlled by people “united by the strongest bonds of organisation, always in closest and quickest touch with one another, situated in the very heart of the business capital of every state, controlled, so far as Europe is concerned, by men of a single and peculiar race, who have behind them many centuries of financial experience, they are in a unique position to control the policy of nations”.

In a strongly worded letter, the Board of Deputies of British Jews expressed “grave concerns” about the emergence of the foreword.

It said an argument expounded in Hobson’s book, that journalism and banking were dominated by Jews, was “pure and unequivocal racism and there can be no apology for it”.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/may/01/jeremy-corbyn-rejects-antisemitism-claim-over-book-foreword

Or is it some other "antisemitism" you will desperately google to fake giving a toss about. 

[dorlomin]

4 minutes ago, YassinMoutaouakil said:

This is the highest stakes election in decades. If you live anywhere other than an SNP/Tory marginal and are remotely left wing you should be voting Labour.

True.

The tories have their own serious issues with Islamophobia. The Muslim Council of Britain wrote a letter highlighting that yesterday, without the meltdowns and attacks on them. 

 

[WhiteRoseKillie]

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/may/01/jeremy-corbyn-rejects-antisemitism-claim-over-book-foreword

Or is it some other "antisemitism" you will desperately google to fake giving a toss about. 

"Suddenly"?

"Expert"?

Do read my initial post (all of it, if you can cope with more than a few selected words) - specifically my problems with having a rational debate on the subject.

After that, just Google "antisemitism Europe", and you might find there's at least one more level more concerning than misinterpreting a painting or pronouncing someone's name "to make him sound more Jewish". Are all these Jews we keep being told have got their bags already packed (M Hodge, not me) going to leave the Toxic UK for Eastern Europe? Germany? Where, then?

[jamamafegan]

Seems Nicola has upset Labour voters by saying she “deplores Corbyns lack of leadership on anti semitism” following a question asked by a channel 4 reporter saying she would be going against the wishes of the Chief Rabbi and thousands of Jews if she helped Corbyn get into number 10.