Baxter Parp Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 minute ago, MixuFixit said: No, I'm explaining why a funding body won't fund work like this. Science has to be impactful to get grant money. It's not science it's criminal statistics. You know that you don't have a leg to stand on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Trans007 said: Coward. Tell me what I said that was bigoted or f**k off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Boo Khaki said: No it,s not just about trans folk, but it might as well be when your argument is about anybody being able to blag their way into women only spaces by abusing GRA. The net result is the same. It's genuine, innocent trans people who are going to be discriminated against and vilified through association, so in reality, it might as well all be about trans folk. No. Trans folk are normal human beings in an unusual situation that is difficult to deal with. They are not sexually aggressive men trying to get their jollies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 minute ago, MixuFixit said: I will grant you that the number of squirrels fucking aliens is about the same as the number of men in dresses doing sex crimes in Argentina Finally, we're getting somewhere. Where's the stats? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Just now, Baxter Parp said: No. Trans folk are normal human beings in an unusual situation that is difficult to deal with. They are not sexually aggressive men trying to get their jollies. So let's accept for a moment that you do, in fact, have a legitimate point about people who want to assault and abuse women using self-ID to blag themselves into women-only spaces. What is your proposed solution to this problem? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Just now, MixuFixit said: It's sad when previously sound guys go all yer Da. Wings has a lot to answer for. I don't read or follow Wings. I observe this from a feminist perspective. Also, I don't trust men as far as I can throw them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Sunday has come early... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said: So let's accept for a moment that you do, in fact, have a legitimate point about people who want to assault and abuse women using self-ID to blag themselves into women-only spaces. What is your proposed solution to this problem? I don't have one, nor did I ever say that I did. I believe in equality above everything. Women's rights must be protected and trans people's rights must be protected but men are c***s. Edited October 25, 2019 by Baxter Parp 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) Just now, MixuFixit said: Why not have full sex segregation then? Wat? Also, is there a good reason you can't quote reply? Edited October 25, 2019 by Baxter Parp 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Just now, MixuFixit said: Sometimes I don't want to. Why not have full sex segregation? Doesn't that help you avoid men coming in contact with women? Because without babies humanity would end? What the f**k are you on about? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Just now, Baxter Parp said: I don't have one, nor did I ever say that I did. I believe in equality above everything. Women's rights must be protected and tans people's rights must be protected but men are c***s. You don't protect trans people's rights by telling them they're not women, or not regarded as equal with women who were born as biological women, or by telling them they can't live their lives as women, or that they can't be permitted to use women's facilities because a few people, and it is literally a handful of reported incidents, self-ID'd as women and then went on to assault other women. I agree, you're absolutely correct in that women's rights also need to be protected, but the right to not be assaulted or attacked is universal, it's doesn't require addendum referring to specific places and interactions with specific groups. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: Finally, we're getting somewhere. Where's the stats? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said: You don't protect trans people's rights by telling them they're not women, or not regarded as equal with women who were born as biological women, or by telling them they can't live their lives as women, or that they can't be permitted to use women's facilities because a few people, and it is literally a handful of reported incidents, self-ID'd as women and then went on to assault other women. Uh-huh and as I say self-ID isn't commonplace yet. On the other hand: https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/dear-stonewall-please-reconsider-your-approach 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: I'm sure it could be worked out. Why don't you want full segregation but you do want trans segregation? Can you not read? Where did I say I wanted trans people segregated? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: Uh-huh and as I say self-ID isn't commonplace yet. On the other hand: https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/dear-stonewall-please-reconsider-your-approach I'm not sure why you're linking that in a response to me. Are you asking whether I'm in agreement with Stonewall or not? There's always been a huge divide and disagreement between LBG activists and groups and what became the 'T'. The Stonewall stooshie is nothing new. A lot of folk who identify with one of those groups would deny utterly that they have anything in common with any of the others, whereas the flipside of that is that the issues the groups individually face are much the same, therefore some people argue that collectivised activism and advocacy makes perfect sense. Stonewall's position was inevitably going to cause strife. Edited October 25, 2019 by Boo Khaki 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hahn Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 54 minutes ago, Trans007 said: I created my account to engage with a bigoted coward who threatened physical violence. 53 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: What did I say that was bigoted? 48 minutes ago, Trans007 said: I'll tell you what I'll call you a bigot to your face and see what you do it about it. I don't know what's more pathetic? That you'd rather call him a bigot than actually refute his argument or that you created an account with the sole purpose of doing so. Society regresses from behaviour like this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 It's a social convention and if you change the social convention so that people feel unable to challenge the presence of an intruder you're going to have problems.Statistically speaking most sexual assault incidents occur in the home and by people the victim knows, are we going to ban cohabitation and mixed gender homes? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 29 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Why not have full sex segregation then? Saw them at the Apollo in 1976. Not a big fan. Much preferred the support act, Cocks In Ladies Changing Rooms. A bit like Ultravox meets Duran Duran, IMO, which was not a bad thing. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 "If we allow people to say they're whatever gender they want, men might go into female toilets and harass them" Why can't would-be sex pests go into a female toilet and harass women right now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 This is clearly all stemming from folk not putting the seat back down after they've been for a pish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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