RandomGuy. Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 34 minutes ago, Sarto Mutiny said: I'd be very surprised if whoever finished 11th didn't win the playoff tbh. Unless it was a Dundee derby, in which case all bets are off I think, and im aware how these things come back on you, we have enough quality to see off any Championship side. Murphy/Carey/Wotherspoon/May/Clark shouldnt be getting relegated. But the club is genuinely a mess and the players who seemed to chuck it yesterday were senior trusted pros. Wotherspoon is probably one of the most respected players at the club and its hard not to look at certain things as pointing at him being unhappy with the manager. If hes at that stage, someone wholl be wholly professional and loyal as long as he can, then there must be many in the squad the same. Thats ignoring the fact we just had a player walk away from a 18 month deal, without taking any compensation, because he had zero trust in the manager. We cant sack said manager because he helped hired the people who'd make that decision, because our chairman chucked it and seems to have no interest. Manager is also contracted until 2025 and, having spent somewhere close to £500k on this squad with multiple huge earners, im not sure anyone at the club will sanction the amount needed to punt him anyway as theyll hope we survive and run the contract down a bit. Tl;dr - We have a squad that should be safe but theres signs our squad is splitting and losing trust in a manager we cant get rid of. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: I think, and im aware how these things come back on you, we have enough quality to see off any Championship side. Murphy/Carey/Wotherspoon/May/Clark shouldnt be getting relegated. But the club is genuinely a mess and the players who seemed to chuck it yesterday were senior trusted pros. Wotherspoon is probably one of the most respected players at the club and its hard not to look at certain things as pointing at him being unhappy with the manager. If hes at that stage, someone wholl be wholly professional and loyal as long as he can, then there must be many in the squad the same. Thats ignoring the fact we just had a player walk away from a 18 month deal, without taking any compensation, because he had zero trust in the manager. We cant sack said manager because he helped hired the people who'd make that decision, because our chairman chucked it and seems to have no interest. Manager is also contracted until 2025 and, having spent somewhere close to £500k on this squad with multiple huge earners, im not sure anyone at the club will sanction the amount needed to punt him anyway as theyll hope we survive and run the contract down a bit. Tl;dr - We have a squad that should be safe but theres signs our squad is splitting and losing trust in a manager we cant get rid of. We're only 3 points ahead of you however we've shown quite a lot of resilience this season and I reckon most of our fans are looking at maintaining our current place rather than downwards to the bottom two slots (famous last words). Only three points but @elvis excluded a different attitude. FWIW my prediction 11th Well/Killie 12th County Edited January 15, 2023 by btb 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, btb said: We're only 3 points ahead of you however we've shown quite a lot of resilience this season and I reckon most of our fans are looking at maintaining our current place rather than downwards to the bottom two slots (famous last words). Only three points but @elvis excluded a different attitude. FWIW my prediction 11t h Well/Killie 12th COUNTY I’m enamoured by your prediction. Are you in the habit of being right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: I’m enamoured by your prediction. Are you in the habit of being right? Only way to be sure is sacrificing a virgin but they're scarce about here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 2 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: We weren't that far ahead of ICT and then it was helped by a packed McDiarmid fully behind the team. Yesterday there were chants against the manager and players, lots of fans left at half time, and some players clearly chucked it. We're about to play Rangers back to back. We're going to implode. While I'm all for doom and gloom about Saints just now, we were absolutely fucking miles ahead of ICT over the two legs and I'm still not entirely clear how we managed to throw away a two goal lead in the away leg. Inverness were garbage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, Jamie_Beatson said: While I'm all for doom and gloom about Saints just now, we were absolutely fucking miles ahead of ICT over the two legs and I'm still not entirely clear how we managed to throw away a two goal lead in the away leg. Inverness were garbage. The tie was level until the final 45 minutes. That was us with much better players than our opponents, with some form of form headed into fixtures and a fanbase willing to fully back the team with people like Rooney firing everyone up. I dont think we get away with it if we hit the play offs again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insaintee Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 3 hours ago, btb said: Only way to be sure is sacrificing a virgin but they're scarce about here. Where is Virginton? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 7 hours ago, Coventry Saint said: Tbf the quality in and around the Championship top four is just getting worse and worse. While we were all braced to sit back and piss ourselves if you went down last year, let's face it, it wasn't even close in the end. Nobody in the Championship is laying a glove on any top flight team over two legs. Even Morton's annual failure to make the top four isn't predicted to be confirmed until late March this year. That's how shit they all are. Read this type of comment a lot in 2021. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 8 hours ago, Coventry Saint said: Tbf the quality in and around the Championship top four is just getting worse and worse. While we were all braced to sit back and piss ourselves if you went down last year, let's face it, it wasn't even close in the end. Nobody in the Championship is laying a glove on any top flight team over two legs. Even Morton's annual failure to make the top four isn't predicted to be confirmed until late March this year. That's how shit they all are. Queen's Park have it in them to beat any bottom six team 4-0 in either leg. Of course, they also have it in them to lose about 6-0. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLIS Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 21 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Queen's Park have it in them to beat any bottom six team 4-0 in either leg. Of course, they also have it in them to lose about 6-0. Lesser Hampden's capacity of around 1,400 will be a laugh in the Premiership to be fair. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 56 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said: Read this type of comment a lot in 2021. Aye - you also just need to look at the Kilmarnock side and the championship standard players they continue to give regular game time to. They didn’t even deem the likes of Polworth good enough for them in the championship. The top league sides obviously have the better sides, but it’s nonsense to suggest it would be a stroll for the top league side. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry Saint Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 58 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said: Read this type of comment a lot in 2021. Fair, but I don't think that makes me incorrect here. The Prem team will win the playoff comfortably, IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLIS Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, No_Problemo said: Aye - you also just need to look at the Kilmarnock side and the championship standard players they continue to give regular game time to. They didn’t even deem the likes of Polworth good enough for them in the championship. The top league sides obviously have the better sides, but it’s nonsense to suggest it would be a stroll for the top league side. I think there was a lot of similar conversation around the playoffs in the season we came up too. Regardless of quality in the squads the one aspect that's not talked about enough is the unity in a squad that's likely been pushing for a title vs a team that's had a season of calamity and likely are low on morale/motivation. The Partick team we faced looked absolutely gormless at times even when they had Doolan and Erskine playing their heart out trying to bail them out. You just need to look at the chaos of a St Johnstone right now, who've lost the heart they had last season when they won the playoffs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 1 minute ago, ATLIS said: I think there was a lot of similar conversation around the playoffs in the season we came up too. Regardless of quality in the squads the one aspect that's not talked about enough is the unity in a squad that's likely been pushing for a title vs a team that's had a season of calamity and likely are low on morale/motivation. The Partick team we faced looked absolutely gormless at times even when they had Doolan and Erskine playing their heart out trying to bail them out. You just need to look at the chaos of a St Johnstone right now, who've lost the heart they had last season when they won the playoffs. When I look at St Johnstone I can at least see some kind of quality there, and they were obviously going well just a few weeks ago. More so with Dundee United though. Then you look at the County/Killie sides and there just isn’t much there. Not that the top four in the championship have much of Premiership quality either mind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLIS Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, No_Problemo said: When I look at St Johnstone I can at least see some kind of quality there, and they were obviously going well just a few weeks ago. More so with Dundee United though. Then you look at the County/Killie sides and there just isn’t much there. Not that the top four in the championship have much of Premiership quality either mind. Easy solution is just expand the league to 16/18 teams and everyone gets to be happy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTID26 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, No_Problemo said: When I look at St Johnstone I can at least see some kind of quality there, and they were obviously going well just a few weeks ago. More so with Dundee United though. Then you look at the County/Killie sides and there just isn’t much there. Not that the top four in the championship have much of Premiership quality either mind. Enough there to beat Ayr 3 times last season. You won't need to concern yourself with the play offs Ayr won't get through the 2nd v 4th tie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLIS Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, KTID26 said: Enough there to beat Ayr 3 times last season. You won't need to concern yourself with the play offs Ayr won't get through the 2nd v 4th tie. That's not how the playoffs work is it? 3rd v 4th, winner v 2nd, winner v 11th? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTID26 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 1 minute ago, ATLIS said: That's not how the playoffs work is it? 3rd v 4th, winner v 2nd, winner v 11th? You are correct 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, KTID26 said: Enough there to beat Ayr 3 times last season. You won't need to concern yourself with the play offs Ayr won't get through the 2nd v 4th tie. I was making a general point about the standard of some of your players, no need to be so defensive. I’ll happily admit to Ayr’s failings in terms of trying to finish in the top four, but I’m not sure what relevance the Ayr side of last season has to this one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 22 minutes ago, ATLIS said: Easy solution is just expand the league to 16/18 teams and everyone gets to be happy Then ringfence it. We don't want shite like Falkirk and Dunfermline at the top table 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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