GordonS Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Maybe all of this was common knowledge, but it came as news to me. I don't like the smell of this at all. There's no real denial that they were at least under the influence of alcohol while debriefing players in a very, very sensitive moment, which would be a jotters offence in most workplaces. It definitely sounds like she blamed the players, when even her biggest supporters (previously me) would have to say her own tactical choices were questionable in all three matches and likely contributed directly to Argentina's equaliser. And it's possibly telling that none of the players have come out to say it's been overblown or that everything is fine now. We'll need to be at our best again to get through qualifying, and then we go to a tournament in England to try for a third time to get out of our group. We just have to hope this doesn't become an ongoing problem. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49363291 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 24 minutes ago, GordonS said: Maybe all of this was common knowledge, but it came as news to me. I don't like the smell of this at all. There's no real denial that they were at least under the influence of alcohol while debriefing players in a very, very sensitive moment, which would be a jotters offence in most workplaces. It definitely sounds like she blamed the players, when even her biggest supporters (previously me) would have to say her own tactical choices were questionable in all three matches and likely contributed directly to Argentina's equaliser. And it's possibly telling that none of the players have come out to say it's been overblown or that everything is fine now. We'll need to be at our best again to get through qualifying, and then we go to a tournament in England to try for a third time to get out of our group. We just have to hope this doesn't become an ongoing problem. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49363291 I don't think many of the players would have been "considering their Scotland futures" as the BBC article says. The vibe I get is that the girls are quite close as a group, and that they enjoy playing international football - and the boost it's giving their careers. Shelley Kerr doesn't look particularly clever at the moment though. There were a number of tactical issues during the world cup that suggested she perhaps wasn't as good a coach as she herself believes, and it's never a smart move to conduct any sort of team meeting whilst under the influence. Perhaps her honesty will save her if she shows the players enough contrition. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Women and drink eh? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeVanTeeth Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 24 minutes ago, Malky3 said: Shelley Kerr doesn't look particularly clever at the moment though. There were a number of tactical issues during the world cup that suggested she perhaps wasn't as good a coach as she herself believes The final 15 minutes against Argentina made Lennon's tactics on Tuesday night look like a tactical masterclass. What a joke that some on here thought she should be involved with the men's team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 The final 15 minutes against Argentina made Lennon's tactics on Tuesday night look like a tactical masterclass. What a joke that some on here thought she should be involved with the men's team. And I'm sure you're saying that having watched all the qualifying games.She's done an excellent job in increasing the professionalism of the whole outfit, improving technical standards and getting the players to have belief. They were really well set up away in Poland, which is how they pulled back a 2 goal deficit to win. They beat a technically superior Switzerland through control of midfield and keeping Dickermann quiet. It was bad, but she shouldn't be judged on 15 minutes. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 Women and drink eh?Have you anything to say about football here or are you just here for attention? -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, GordonS said: 1 hour ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: Women and drink eh? Have you anything to say about football here or are you just here for attention? What do you think, Gordons? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 This is completely unacceptable at any level of the game. Dare I say that had this been the men's game there would already have been repurcussions for this, and probably severe ones. Possibly a lack of media intrigue here prevented it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Michael W said: This is completely unacceptable at any level of the game. Dare I say that had this been the men's game there would already have been repurcussions for this, and probably severe ones. Possibly a lack of media intrigue here prevented it. One of the reasons given (or leaked via Keith Jackson) for McLeish's departure was a "deeply troubling incident" in a team meeting during the Kazakhstan/San Marino double header. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindeleux Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 So both Scotland managers with alcohol problems then? Spoiler PS - not really. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindeleux Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 5 hours ago, GordonS said: She's done an excellent job in increasing the professionalism of the whole outfit Very professional I agree. SHELLEY KERR admits she ‘had a few drinks’ before an explosive team meeting that left Scotland stars in tears. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 5 hours ago, Michael W said: This is completely unacceptable at any level of the game. Dare I say that had this been the men's game there would already have been repurcussions for this, and probably severe ones. Possibly a lack of media intrigue here prevented it. I think increased media focus would probably have led to this coming out sooner - but when you read ex-pros accounts of things that have gone on in dressing rooms that were kept secret, it's not a given that something like this would have leaked at all. It depends how bad it really was, I just didn't find Shelley's answers very convincing. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason King Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I for one am not shocked that resident P&B creepy weirdo GordonS is expressing an unnatural interest in what happened in the ladies dressing room. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I had the same reaction when I read that story. Definitely something a bit dodge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 In any other profession turning up for a meeting while under the influence of alcohol would be a sackable offence, regardless of whether the drinking took place during "time off" or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armand 2 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 When I heard about this story, I was fairly convinced she was in an untenable position - then I remembered the SFA employ Malky Mackay. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewh Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I always thought she had a hard face and imagined her as a bit of a bully. On top of her tactical naivety, qualifiers aside, this should be enough to see her removed. Doubtless@GordonS will disagree but that’s my perception, rightly or wrongly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 I always thought she had a hard face and imagined her as a bit of a bully. On top of her tactical naivety, qualifiers aside, this should be enough to see her removed. Doubtless[mention=66443]GordonS[/mention] will disagree but that’s my perception, rightly or wrongly.I think judging someone for their face is daft, and she just looks like a strong working class Scottish woman to me.But I don't disagree otherwise, it'd be a shame if it ended like this but there would be no complaints from me. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewh Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I think judging someone for their face is daft, and she just looks like a strong working class Scottish woman to me.But I don't disagree otherwise, it'd be a shame if it ended like this but there would be no complaints from me.Fair enough. Just a sense I had based on how she looks and her overall demeanour in interviews.Big question is who would replace her? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 This really isn't helping anyone at all. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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