McBurnie's socks

[Diamonds are Forever]

6 hours ago, DAVIDB69 said:

Mcburnie is not worth 20 million , it’s just the ridiculous fees paid in england for average players.

He is good championship player that is not question, however when Swansea were in the premier previously he looked hopelessly out of his depth . Likewise at international level he has looked pretty hopeless .

We need to move away from the mindset of scoring goals in the championship makes you international quality also the play someone automatically just because they are on the books of an English premier side.

If he was any good he would have gone higher than Sheffield United. If he gets double figures for them I would be shocked .

 

The problem with that argument is that it would then apply to all our strikers. If any of them were any good they wouldn't still be at the clubs they are at.

On paper, McBurnie is the striker who plays at the 'best' club in terms of their level, of course that shouldn't mean that he should definitely play, but equally it's a strange argument to use to talk him down.

 

[Guest DAVIDB69]

McBurnie made a handful of sub appearances in the Premier League as a kid.

What makes him international quality is that he’s our best striker!

16 appearances no goals over two seasons for Swansea , whilst 16 isn’t a lot it is enough to establish if the quality is there

[Guest DAVIDB69]

16 appearances no goals over two seasons for Swansea , whilst 16 isn’t a lot it is enough to establish if the quality is there

Good championship player nothing more, who will probably be back at championship level on loan in January

[Kuro]

59 minutes ago, DAVIDB69 said:

 

16 appearances no goals over two seasons for Swansea , whilst 16 isn’t a lot it is enough to establish if the quality is there

 

You mean almost all from the bench when he was a kid?

McBurnie is our number one striker, right now he has virtually no competition, there's nobody remotely close to the level he is at.

[Guest DAVIDB69]

You mean almost all from the bench when he was a kid?
McBurnie is our number one striker, right now he has virtually no competition, there's nobody remotely close to the level he is at.

There is nothing to suggest he is , 7 caps looked poor every time .

I would love to be proved wrong and he bangs in loads of goals for sheffield United but I just don’t see it.

[Kuro]

54 minutes ago, DAVIDB69 said:

 

There is nothing to suggest he is , 7 caps looked poor every time .

I would love to be proved wrong and he bangs in loads of goals for sheffield United but I just don’t see it.

 

His caps are irrelevant. his club career is what you judge him on.  What is his competition?  Fletcher who is 45 years old, can't stay fit for more than five minutes at a time, plays at a lower level and scored 3 goals last season, or Griffiths who has a similar record for Scotland, plays at a lower level, hasn't played 90 minutes since last year and may never be the same player he was two years ago.

Right now McBurnie literally has no competition, he's clearly Scotland's number one striker and as such should be first choice for the medium term unless we can get Che Adams. 

[Kuro]

And success for McBurnie this season playing for that team in that league is 7 or 8 league goals, 10 or 12 in total and avoiding relegation.

[DAFC.]

Griffiths is playing Champions League football and is a much better player. McBurnie is most certainly not first pick. 

[Gordopolis]

Neither is Griffiths a first pick. But that's probably quite a healthy situation if it spurs both of them on.
I just hope we don't have to fall back on the likes of Naismith. Nothing against him but he's always been a bit of a sticking-plaster solution to our lack of true forwards.

Griffiths is playing Champions League football and is a much better player. McBurnie is most certainly not first pick. 

[Jeremiah Cole]

Griffiths is playing Champions League football and is a much better player. McBurnie is most certainly not first pick. 

 

Griffiths is playing Champions League qualifiers from the bench. All manner of tin pot clubs from small countries are playing Champions League qualifiers.

 

McBurnie is a £20m striker playing in the English Premiership against the likes of Man United, Liverpool and Chelsea.

 

Griffiths failed to make the grade in English League One and is now plying his trade as a sub against Hamilton, Livingston and St Mirren.

 

There is no question that McBurnie is a far better player.

 

As for being first pick, not only is McBurnie first pick, he literally has no competition.

[Ludo*1]

3 minutes ago, Jeremiah Cole said:

 

Griffiths is playing Champions League qualifiers from the bench. All manner of tin pot clubs from small countries are playing Champions League qualifiers.

 

McBurnie is a £20m striker playing in the English Premiership against the likes of Man United, Liverpool and Chelsea.

 

Griffiths failed to make the grade in English League One and is now plying his trade as a sub against Hamilton, Livingston and St Mirren.

 

There is no question that McBurnie is a far better player.

 

As for being first pick, not only is McBurnie first pick, he literally has no competition.

Griffiths didn't 'fail to make the grade' in League One, he had a 1 in 2 record, was Wolves leading scorer, and actively wanted away from Wolves.

[forameus]

Neither Griffiths nor McBurnie are particularly exciting options, but they're definitely 1 and 2 for us.  Order is subjective.

4 hours ago, Jeremiah Cole said:

McBurnie is a £20m striker playing in the English Premiership against the likes of Man United, Liverpool and Chelsea.

Three things

1. Transfer fee, particularly in England, is a fucking dreadful way of showing who's a better player.  
2. He has yet to play a game "against the likes of Man United, Liverpool and Chelsea" as a Premiership striker.  He could go on to score 30 goals, or he could turn out to be shite.  No-one knows
3. Nit-picking mode, but it's the English Premier League.

[Jeremiah Cole]

Griffiths didn't 'fail to make the grade' in League One, he had a 1 in 2 record, was Wolves leading scorer, and actively wanted away from Wolves.

He was on the bench before he left Wolves.

A number of his goals were penalty kicks and they were runaway league leaders.

If Wolves had wanted to keep him they would have.

He wasn’t good enough so they got shot.

[Jeremiah Cole]

Neither Griffiths nor McBurnie are particularly exciting options, but they're definitely 1 and 2 for us.  Order is subjective.
Three things

1. Transfer fee, particularly in England, is a fucking dreadful way of showing who's a better player.   >

McBurnie commanded that fee from an English Premiership club because he was good enough to score a shit load of goals in the Championship for a mid table side.

Griffiths has never commanded such a fee because he failed to even make the grade in League One and he can’t get a regular game against League One standard sides in Scotland!

[Kuro]

Griffiths was wolves best player

[Bing.McCrosby]

12 hours ago, Jeremiah Cole said:

 

Griffiths failed to make the grade in English League One and is now plying his trade as a sub against Hamilton, Livingston and St Mirren

 

2 hours ago, Jeremiah Cole said:

Griffiths has never commanded such a fee because he failed to even make the grade in League One and he can’t get a regular game against League One standard sides in Scotland!

 

I always find it a bit sad when old firm fans come on the Scotland threads and give their silly opinions based on years of brainwashing and bias.

As if Scotland fans are gonna be interested.

[MarkoRaj]

Don't really understand the absolute desperation to do Scottish players down like this. Seen folk on Twitter saying he's the worst Scotland cap ever - mentalists tbh.

Yes there have been players who have scored lots of goals at that level, like Rhodes, Martin, even the likes of Iwelumo and none of them were ever going to make it. They were all much older though. There's a huge difference between a journeyman who carves out a career in the championship, knowing full well he'll never make it to the top, and someone who's young enough to learn and develop at the top of the game.

Don't remember the last time a Scottish player scored that number of goals at that level at 21.  Can't be many

[eez-eh]

Saying Griffiths is shite because Wolves sold him 5 and a half years ago 

[forameus]

15 hours ago, Jeremiah Cole said:

McBurnie commanded that fee from an English Premiership club because he was good enough to score a shit load of goals in the Championship for a mid table side.

Griffiths has never commanded such a fee because he failed to even make the grade in League One and he can’t get a regular game against League One standard sides in Scotland!

 

He commanded that fee because fees are fucking mental down South for any home-grown player, and because any club selling to a Premier League club knows they have an absolute fortune sitting there.  Hence, transfer fee is completely useless to gauge quality.

12 hours ago, MarkoRaj said:

Don't really understand the absolute desperation to do Scottish players down like this. Seen folk on Twitter saying he's the worst Scotland cap ever - mentalists tbh.

Yes there have been players who have scored lots of goals at that level, like Rhodes, Martin, even the likes of Iwelumo and none of them were ever going to make it. They were all much older though. There's a huge difference between a journeyman who carves out a career in the championship, knowing full well he'll never make it to the top, and someone who's young enough to learn and develop at the top of the game.

Don't remember the last time a Scottish player scored that number of goals at that level at 21.  Can't be many

I'm sure there are some putting him down, but I think the majority just see it for how it is.  He's a player who has looked great in a Championship side and scored a lot of goals, but has so far looked out of his depth for Scotland.  He's hardly alone in that, and it's a story we've witnessed many times before and probably will many times again.

I really hope he goes on to prove them wrong and ends up being great for us, but recency bias is strong, and we can't just hold on to what he's doing for his club side if he continues to struggle for Scotland.

[Kuro]

5 hours ago, forameus said:

He commanded that fee because fees are fucking mental down South for any home-grown player, and because any club selling to a Premier League club knows they have an absolute fortune sitting there.  Hence, transfer fee is completely useless to gauge quality.

I'm sure there are some putting him down, but I think the majority just see it for how it is.  He's a player who has looked great in a Championship side and scored a lot of goals, but has so far looked out of his depth for Scotland.  He's hardly alone in that, and it's a story we've witnessed many times before and probably will many times again.

I really hope he goes on to prove them wrong and ends up being great for us, but recency bias is strong, and we can't just hold on to what he's doing for his club side if he continues to struggle for Scotland.

The fact is objectively he is obviously our number one striker rightnow.  List his competition let's hear it, there is nobody else.  And by recency bias you mean how he's playing right now as opposed to two years ago, which is how you pick a team.